And of course, Emperor Ming dint like anyone. Well except for Dale. Please tell me someone is modeling Klytus? Please?

Cryto Pooka OMG. A new Female Superhero. see me swoon at Klytus.

I had a... thing... for Klytus. Wish someone would model him. (hint hint)

/me runs in and smacks Scott around with a wet noodle. Behave or I will have to get the BORE worms! (10 points to anyone who can guess that movie reference)

/me coloring a bookmark with smiley faces and happy people

Hisminky, whatever dude<< Last time I checked, I was a girl.

Same old rehash except for one brilliantly bizarre note, Hisminky blaming the Renderosity admins for his/her not getting published.<< Either you misread my posts or you deliberately interpreted them wrong just to sound quasi-informed. I've BEEN published, and been paid for it as well. As far calling the person who writes my paycheck as being stupid for thinking Poser is a program to create porn, exactly where are they to get a clue otherwise, as this is the largest Poser site on the web?

Billy, the pettiness started only recently, like within the last year or so. At least overtly at any rate. Unfortunately Renderosity has been overrun with a herd of "Me First" people that are bent on ruining what was built out of love for a particular idea, and that is promoting Poser. The newcomers have no idea about the time those of us "oldies" spent trying to make Poser an acceptable tool in the graphics industry. They don't care, either. They just want to make pretty pictures and have their friends oooh and ahhhh over them. Which is fine most of the time as Poser was originally a hobbyist program. Poser has grown beyond a mere hobbyist tool(who can remember using Poser 1 or 2? I can.) When the only models were the ones supplied? We have a huge respository of models and clothes now that far exceed even the programmers vision of Poser. Its TIME Poser was accepted as a professional tool. Karen, no offense, but you haven't got a CLUE about what I am saying. All you have ever been concerned with is what you can get out of it. My agenda is MUCH different. I want to be able to submit my images to Publishers and not have them point out with MUCH hostility that Poser is PORNOGRAPHY. Even if the image is a set of fully clothed models. That is the impressions that PUBLISHERS have are GARNERED from this site. I wish, nay BEG the Admins to do SOMETHING about the HOT 20, so that WHEN these publishers point out that Poser is just for PORNOGRAPHY and POOR QUALITY images, I can refute that and PROVE it is a legitamate TOOL. This Community should NOT be about the least common denominator, but rather it should set the STANDARD about Poser being a fantastic TOOL for graphic artists to use.

As for the hot 20, either vote or stop complaining<< Actually, I do vote, so I have a right to complain. >>Most of the time folks here are very nice and helpful<< Yes, and those of us that tried to help, were in turn, trolled. Makes you wnder why most of us have stopped helping, doesn't it? >>I would hope friends voted for my images, I cant image my enemies would<< But that should be your goal, no? If your images are so good that your enemies are impressed, then you have accomplished something. I've looked at your images Karen, and you are improving. Hopefully one day all the suggestions I offered will make sense to you.

Personal attacks on others are both unprofessional and are hurtful. << So you're immune from that? Or wasn't that an intentional misspelling of her name?

I can hold them responsible for allowing the Hot 20 joke to continue. If they TRULY wanted to promote Poser as a legitimate tool "and Poser Artists" as legitimage ARTISTS, they would improve the reputation that they are allowing to continue. Change the Hot 20 or get rid of it. How about allowing ONE image per artist per period? How about a buttom that says "I disagree, this image is NOT HOT 20" Have THAT button subtract from the votes. Have the Hot 20 for ONE rotation only, meaning if the image has ALREADY been in the hot 20, then it doesnt qualify for ANY MORE hot 20 galleries. Good grief, there are a lot of ways to clean it up.

I wish the mods and admins would pay attention. With the Hot 20 being manipulated by the selfish few, it hurts Poser artists as a "whole". Those of us that have been fighting in the trenches to get poser art accepted as legitimate are forver having to live with; "Poser? Oh, you mean that crap at the Rendo-something site? Its just porn." It's beyond frustrating and the main reason I will not post any images here. I REFUSE to have my work associated with the dreck that is most prevalant in the galleries. I at one time I wanted my peers(meaning other poser artists) to accept me and at lease give a credible critique of my images. Now, I'd rather avoid the stereotyping that is associated with this site. I don't need the ego boost or the trolling that goes on here. Yes, I blame the admins as they are the ones who can affect change. They are the ones that are contributing to the negative assumptions of Poser and Poser artists, BECAUSE they refuse the accept that this IS the largest Poser site. It entails certain RESPONSIBILITIES to represent Poser in the BEST possbile light. Oh yes, I hold them 100% responsible.

I guess I should elaborate on why I'm not interested. I pulled my galleries here for 2 reasons. 1) an earlier thread that was identical to this one, in which the person who was the subject of spamming the hot 20 had one of her thugs/friends/cronies spam my galleries. Normally I ignore such nastiness and would have until reason 2) I submitted to a publisher. The images he chose got fewer than 100 hits. That in inself was a revelation, but moreso the REASON he gave me. "Images XX and XX and XX while nice, are a bit too stereotypical T&A. for our readership" Wow, so I had been busting my BEHIND to be good enough for this place, only to discover that what the Hot 20 deems as fantastic is only soft porn that no PUBLISHER would touch? Revelation time. Apparently the Semi clad Vicki in a temple/where-ever with that come hither/vacant/my underwear is too tight expression is only fit for THIS forum. No one else wants it, at least not the people who have checkbooks and are WILLING to pay for images. Sure, if this is a hobby for you, then go right ahead and conform to the image style that is promoted here, there isn't anything WRONG with that. However, if you have it in your head that you want to be a professional illustrator one day, then run VERY FAR and VERY FAST from the stereotypical image of Vicky

That may be so, Kendra. However, you only get ONE vote, how does one compete(ethically) with only one vote in 2 weeks? Additonally, there should be a ONE image limit to the hot 20. Eh, nevermind. I'm not interested in the Hot 20 and neither is management or they would have fixed it by now.

The Poser hot 20 is a joke. Don't go there or look or you will be disappointed. It has nothing to do with exceptional art, just how many people can clone accounts and persuade friends to vote for them.