Thanks for all the tips but I don't understand why you want Vue to feel and look like Bryce. IMHO - less is more and strait to the point is better. You can concentrate on the creativity of your work and screen less cluttered. Bill

Hi Gail, I notice that. I am one of the person who commented but I do not see anything. Did you checked (tick) bothe the box for "comment and rating" or just one of them. Bill

Hi Gail, I notice that. I am one of the person who commented but I do not see anything. Did you checked (tick) bothe the box for "comment and rating" or just one of them. Bill

Hi! Yes, in States you can get it from http://www.i-us.com at $189.00. Bill

Hey all! Let us learn from experiment. I think Gail has started a lead for us all. Why not each of us do what can be made the best out of this? I say, let us all giveit a go and see what turn out best.I think Xav already started. As for Gail's work....almost there. The fault is the two front Catus shadow casting backward as indicated by Bloodsong and the points brought out by Karlm. Very very good effort on Gail's effort! :) Bill

Hi Dave, Congrats on your purchase and I know you won't regret it. Not to worry about animals and other stuff. My most concern was the vegetation and Vue with its "growth engine" is worth all the money you paid for. Leave the animals and other models to the other third party specialist like Zygote and some up coming modelers that brokage with them. As far as Poser import are concern, its great and if you have any problem, there is a bunch of Vue user expert here that can help you. Someone by the name of Orio (Italian) and beginner just started a Vue Onelist. Already there are 33 members. It's a good place to start as everyone is new, including myself. Most are grown ups and expert in graphics one way or another. Bill

If its a joke, it a real bad one. The people at e-on or many pro Vue user of the European community may not fine this funny. I am sure there are more user then we think there is now. We cannot estimate the number of user by the forum or Vue site we visit. I believe most do not communicate well in English. I have Italian friends here in the Asia and their English is real bad both wriiten and spoken. But this people are very creative with their graphics program. Its fine with me what he 'jokes' and I don't quite care how he feels about Vue. You don't have the program, you can't comment much or should even judge it. This goes for anyone, especially the Bryce user who things Bryce is all thing. Wait till you joint the Terragen list (I'm a member) and you know how good it is. I would recommend Bryce user to look at the artwork those hardcore Terragen has created...they just blown me away and I never think of Bryce at that time. I say, bad joke is no joke. Bill

Hi Dave, Kates is right. Vue beats Bryce BIG time in vegetation especially their "growth engine". Take drive, download the demo...version 2 I think and gauge for yourself like what Kate said.."personal taste. Have you try "Terragen"...I just luv using their "water". Every program wanabe wannabe the other and better but that's far from now but not impossible. As to your question of speed, there is no fix answer as far as I know. It depends on your hardware configuration to your skill in use of the software besides the rendering engine. It hard to compare rendering speed as to which is faster unless both have exactly the same things except different product name..example, my image is just seen..bryce do not have the vegetation for a start. Anyway, take my words, you never regret you buy Vue'd Esprit 3. I am waitng for Terragen full version 1 (version o.8 is gonna be out this moth). Its a FOC program..try it and try all and you have a better feel. I still like my Bryce but use little. Bill

This question seem to be ever going on from the KPT/Poser Onelist and even a Vue Onelist just started with 30+ members overnite. There is no all program in one. Bryce 4 is good so is Vue and all the programs that were created for graphics. Ask what are you doing with Bryce 4 and that what you want to buy Vue for? What is the output or end product you want from a program that you feel its worth spending money on? To answer your question, I would use a combination of Bryce, Vue, Terragen and a paint program with plenty of filters and plugins. Take a look at http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=4481&Start=1&Sectionid=3&MostWanted=Yes 97% Vue and can do without that 3%. I certainly would like to see Bryce do this :) Bill

No rating here? I am giving a 6! : Bill

Oh Bongo, thanks for the rating and kind words. Looks like I have to out do myself with something else :) Bill

Hi Bongo, Please hold on to it, you need every bit of your brain to keep things going on here. You are a pioneer, remember that :) Hello Xav and Diane, forgot something. Please note that using the terrain, things are flat on one side. So facing the right to the cam is important. If you observe the bass's body from the gillcover down, you notice that there is a membrane like layer over its body. Now, that suppose to be continuos water residue on the scaled body to indicate "wettness". It is basically a premitive cone place halfway through the fish. If a certain reflection value (Global Reflectivity)is applied to it (in Material Editor) and the "Blurred Reflections" stay at "O" %, you would get a more shinning look (I did not do that)....just use "Tropical Water" with setting in Terrain profile at "Stockade, Chipped Bumps in function, clear to murky at 40%, Refraction Index at 1.05, Global transparency at 100%, (In Effects)- "Diffuse" at 60% and "Ambient" at 40% and "Tuberlence at value 4. Infact this is the same material preset I created and use for the splash too. You all have to play around for better things to turn up, but I amjust contented for the moment with this setting...yoo tired of it, I guess :) Bill

Oh Diane, thank you. I did not know you were an admirer of that image. It one that get got me artist of the month. This are all hobby to me too. Anyway, if you have the extra, go get Vue3. I am also anticipating Terragen V1.0 As texturing, its the most important to me beside MT and the accuracy of a model. No matter how good the MTs are or how good the model in realism, without certain degree of realism for texture, the image of it won't be convincing enough. That's how I got started and get the kick out of it...texture first :) Bill

Hi Bloodsong, yes, I painted it from the top. You can try and round the side. The idea is to break them terrain up into pieces of 'fragments'. As water streams down, certain area can be as thin as a ribbon cloth, and the attached droplets are always not that round but rather smooth and irregular due to gravity as it comes down. I started of with a normal terrain. In Terrain editor, go to "paint" and start digging randomly. Before you do this, refer to the manual for the various option like brush setting/size/strength/altitude/softness setting etc.. The whole idea is to treat that loaded terrain as a 2d lump of mass with certain thickness. You want to flatten certain areas and puncture them with holes. Ceratin areas are still joint though you want them to be as fragmented as possible. At the end of it all, your target is a splash like 2d image but with various thickness. From here, apply liquid material to them and pay attention to the transpareny %tage, clear to murky, and the use of complimentary colors of you scene for the fade out color. The ideal here is to have it as transulent as possible. Once that is done, you can dulicate as many as you want. Rotate and size them in any diretion to have various variation. Work in layers at this and have their color vary slightly for depth effefects (sort of like for transmap hair method). Place them where they make things look real. Btw, the curve outward is by painting through at the edges. It can be a slant or slope too. Bill

Oh Xva..forgot to add this in. A few people have asked in private mail as how the "splashes" and trailing like water droplets was done. Yes....its all Vue! Something I wanted to do in Bryce4 (possible but time consuming) a long time ago. If you follow Bongo's post about scruplturing...that is in Terrain editor, in Paint, start 'digging' till it looks like what you want. After that, apply "underwater" material or "fake caustic" and play with transparency %tage /fade out colours/Tuberlence effect and also function (Bump Chipped was used in my case). In Terrain editor, use clipping and multiplcation for resolution, also use the "Erode" features to round off the sharp edges of your 'splash' trerrain painting. Hope this gives you some insight. Bill