You say that, and I hope you're right but if the ranting and raving going on in Complaints Forum is indicative of the mentality of the US Justice Department, then I wouldn't want to bet my freedom on it!! Anyway, this is an image I'm working on at the moment. It's called "Hoping for Justice". The little darling doesn't seem very hopeful. Thornes Fluted Column seems strangely appropriate. This is a straight rendering from Poser, no post work yet. I know I've got some work to do on the joint artifacts and the hair but are there any other suggestions before I spend a lot of time working on the image? Isaac

Rocket, I posted something on the issue of Guidelines under the heading "Instead of fighting amongst ourselves.." Please feel free to have a look and hopefully contribute something. I am working on a Cherub image at this moment. I'll post it later for the scrutiny of more experienced artists than I. Isaac

Huolong, You don't seem to have read anything I've said to you. I agree with you that childhood is a truely magical time. Juliette was probably not much more than 12 years old at the beginning of the story. A Roman was declared legally adult at 14. I love Anime and Manga. I would hate to see a ban on images of under 18's. The naked youthful figure is intrinsically beautiful. Therefore, I want to protect our right to post and see such images!!! Therefore, I would like us as a community to adopt a set of guidelines in the hope that the US Justice Department will have less amunition to use in their attack on our rights. Don't forget, Renderosity only have the power to prevent us posting the images we love, at this site. The US Government may get the right, and will use it, to come knocking at your door (in the US anyway) to permanently remove those images and hand out a long stay in the slammer! I believe we are on the same side here! Can you make any useful modifications to the guidelines. Are they too stringent, do you think? Is there anything which should be added? Isaac

OK Huolong, I think we're on the same wavelength. That is why, before anyone asks) I restricted my guideline to "in a sexual" context. Since some people may want to post images such as physical child abuse (or at least the result of it) as a means of publicsing the crime. I only wish we could have the same view on CP, I have heard it said before that CP is a scene of crime evidence. However, it seems that the US Justice Department has a single track mind on this issue, for example they don't seem to kick up too much of a fuss about how many kids get their brains blown out every day in the US. Therefore, we have to at least control the images we post which contain sexual conotations. Perhaps lascivious and lewd are better words to use? What do you think? Are there better phrases to use in the draft proposed guidelines? Isaac

Huolong, I agree with you and I am somewhat surprised that you should think that "defense of Child Pornography" was or is my intention. Perhaps I can illustrate that by starting the ball rolling with an introduction to a set of guidelines and the first of those guidelines. I would be surprised if anyone disagrees with the sentiments behind what follows, but you may think the wording or details could be improved. You may think that I have not gone far enough. Ok, this is only the first guideline and only a draft. Please let me know what you would change and what you would add. Guidelines for posting of acceptable computer generated images. Indtroduction Computer generated images made by programs such as Poser (CuriousLabs) can appear to be very life-like. The following guidelines exist to maintain a level of decency in these images that is within the Law and within standards acceptable to Society in general. It must be understood that no actual persons, other than the artist, are involved in the creation of such images. Therefore, terms such as "age", "child" and "individual" should be understood in the context of their creation from "polygon meshes" and "textures". They are virtual objects and not real people. Guidelines. 1) Images should not show: (a) individuals below the age of majority (18 years old)engaged in explicit sexual activity, individually, with other persons or with animals, (b) individuals below the age of majority (18 years old) bound and/or gagged in a sexual context, (c) individuals below the age of majority (18 years old) tortured or otherwise physically abused in a sexual context, (d) explicit views of the pubic area of individuals below the age of majority (18 years old) in a sexual context. So, what do you think? Isaac

Wolf359, I'm not sure if you've read the posts in the Complaints Forum but there is US legislation forthcoming which may affect us all in the long run, if only by Poser getting a bad reputation. None of us want that, so lets come up with an alternative; self regulation. Anyone know if Renderosity staff are already working on this question? Anyone know what CuriousLabs or DAZ3d are doing about it? Isaac

Sincerest commiserations on the loss of your son. Isaac

Huolong, You're right, that thread has been fairly well controlled but the one on CP in the Complaint forum certainly hasn't. Still igohigh (now I understand the name), has made an important point. If we want to continue as we are then we must regulate our selves, and be seen to do so. That means having agreed guidelines in place. Perhaps someone would like to draw up a draft set of guidlines relating to nudity so that we can debate them. Isaac

Thanks for the reply Jeff. I understand your concern and the fact that you (Renderosity) may have to take appropriate action. But oh, how I wish more thought had been put into this before announcing, out of the blue, a blanket ban. Perhaps you could modify it to a temporary moritorium until such time as the law is clear one way or the other. Better still, just warn people that a ban may have to be put into effect if the law changes. Perhaps then we may see a change of heart from poor Thorne who has taken a lot of unjustified flack on this issue. Isaac

Great, now I can put a Faery on a pedestal :) Thanks, guy.

Eirian, That seems to have made it OK. Isaac

Eirian, In answer to your question: I don't know if this is in Thornes mind but it may have made it easier for him to continue giving his characters away if there were more positive measures by Renderosity to alieviate the unfounded concerns of certain misguided individuals. Renderosity wishes to impose a blanket ban on any nude figure in the MarketPlace advertising pictures that appears to be less then 20 years old (teens, children and babies) - I don't think I'm giving any secrets away by saying that. Think about that for a moment, is it reasonable? If you wished to you could go to a store and buy a magazine or video showing real live 18 year olds having acutal sex!! So, what can Renderosity do that would support Thorne and others like him who provide us with such beautiful characters, and hopefully help to persuade him to change his mind. How about a public statement of support saying that they find nothing wrong with his work? How about dropping this ban in place of sensible vetting of images according to existing legal guidelines not some half wits opinion of what we as a community should or should not see? Perhaps if the Community adopts a mature attitude to these issues, we will yet again see more of Thornes wonderful work being given away. So, write to your Senator/Representative/Forum Moderator... whoever.... who knows, we may yet see the beginning of a new era. IsaacNewton

Hi Eirian, I posted an answer to you question but it seems not to have made it here. I don't know why. I'll try again. IsaacNewton

Terrific props and textures, thanks Dmentia. IsaacNewton

Thorne, my friend, a sad day indeed. Though not entirely surprising given the latest wave of hysteria. I don't give much on the odds of people coming to their senses and realising the error of their ways, their hearts and minds are entirely closed. At least you are not pulling out of the Poser Community, that loss would be too much to bare. You have shown your mastery over the polygon mesh time and again. With a sprinkle of your magic faerie dust, the ugly P4 woman was transformed into a flock of beautiful slender faeries. We can, at least, look forward to you continuing to work your magic on the form and features of Victoria and the Mil Girls. Some will post pictures of faeries crying (as indeed they must be at this news), but I prefer to recall the happy times, when I and thousands like me waited eagerly for your next free faery release. So above is a picture I made a short while ago, featuring some of your faery gifts and your wonderful new Faery Wagon -thanks again ;) (A larger, higher res version is available at my website for those interested: www.isaacnewton3d.com) We all owe you a great deal for your gifts to the Community, and I personally acknowledge you as a major inspiration in my own slow progress in using Poser. I for one will continue to scour the websites for all your forthcoming goodies. IsaacNewton