well then your a mathematician, Andreas, not everyone is so gifted and can program a formula which produces a graphical presentation, there are other ways to produce a fractal as well, by combining several programs with each other to get a presentation on their screen, those are called fractal designers .... and for those people is room in this gallery as well, whether you like it or not ... you just gotta live with it, or this gallery will be quite empty... LOL

A fractal is a geometric pattern that is repeated at ever smaller scales to produce irregular shapes and surfaces that cannot be represented by classical geometry. Fractals are used especially in computer modeling of irregular patterns and structures in nature. A fractal can be made by various types of programs, not only generated by Ultra Fractal, Fractal Explorer etc. also with Bryce you are able to make irregular shapes which we gather under the name of being a fractal. Some of us aren't really happy with the outcome, and make different kind of designs with these fractals, using Photoshop, Painter or equivalent. As we are all fractal artists, we belong to this fractal community and are very creative with our designs. So no matter what we do to flourish up our designs, we do still belong in here and are able to upload our designs into this community. As programs become more complicated, and we are able to make designs which could in the end look like something as if it is NOT made with a fractal program, we surely love to stay in this community, were we are able to upload our art. So what if we ad some poser images, or do some pre-processing in adding a picture to our designs, the design will always be a fractal to start with. So what if somebody stands up and thinks everything else than what he/she produces on his/her screen trash, he/she may find 20% of the designers who stand by his/her opinion, then the moderator makes rules, and at the end the other 80% are unhappy. Then all of a sudden this same person stands up and 'Bring In' something else added to his program, and wonders why it isn't been seen as a fractal. Let's get everything back as it was before there were these guidelines, everyone was more happier, and more creative, it all didn't work in the first place. What are rules in a fractal community if even the moderator doesn't obey them. Yes, he can say, that in a fractal contest the rules cannot be changed, after the contest is active, but wasn't he the one who made these rules of something being a fractal or not, and then has a contest? All of a sudden, the rules didn't seem to bother him nomore, he accepted mixed media designs. So his violation of these rules made up by himself, establishes this discussion. So we will have it back to the old again, and enjoy everyones contribution to their expression of art, it's up to he artist himself whether something is called a mixed media, fractal or anything else. No restrictions or rules, just do what we all do, having fun sharing our approaches of designs, with the basics of a fractal. Have a nice week, Harmen

oh look, thats not the point ... point is that if ya have a fractal gallery the mod made up rules for whether something is a fractal or not, and in his eyes non-fractal images should be moved to another gallery or not, and then when ya accept mixed media images in a fractal contest for the fractal community, you should say, they aren't accepted as well... hope you read that in previous messages :-)) as i remember correctly, in a previous contest, some time ago, some design wasn't accepted either, because of that...

yup i know, Jef ... but thing is, this mod made rules for this fractal gallery and tries to get away with it with a contest ... he speaks in contradictions and has no idea what he is talking about ... also treats everyone differently here, moves images around whenever he seems to have time for without negotiating first or when he has the mood for it, and when ya speak out your opinion about it, he treats ya like a kid or trashes yer opinion or warns ya ... and i don't care if you ban me for this, Nick...

lol as you said: this is a FRACTAL gallery ... so even in a FRACTAL [magic] contest, mixed media images aren't allowed!!!

well actually ya made up some rules, and so you should stick to it ... and treat everyone the same, which ya don't ... as i recall it correctly, you moved my design called 'emptiness' even though it was all a fractal, to the mixed medium gallery, because what you saw as the focal point was text ... now there is someone in the fractal gallery who uploaded a design titled 'initials' and then you don't move that to the mixed gallery even though the focal point according to your rules is text where do YOU draw the line, we all are fractal artists and feel we belong in here, even when we ad something else other than fractals to our designs if you take a look at the poser gallery, they don't move those designs to the mixed gallery one, even though other programs than poser alone are being used then you write out a contest called fractal magic, and you accept mixed media designs to it as well, how do your rules work then??? so either you stick to it, or acknowledge this was all a big mistake... but if you stick to it, make rules which are understandable, not just write a few lines, and when someone wants to discuss it, withdraw by saying, read this and that at the following addies, then lose it, and say: these are the rules, so it's over and done with from the artists point of view, you are absolutely wrong, Nick, we are the ones who set the focal point, not you...

lol according to the mod's 'made-up' rules, it belongs in the mixed media gallery ... and if ya look any further and follow their leads, you come to the point where YOU are the one who decides where it should belong ... so it's all up to you Keith IMO if you look at nature, flowers are fractals too, so are leafs so it belongs in the fractal gallery :-))

exactly Brian smile

lol define a fractal please smile

lol i moved to the artmatic gallery, for it seems ppl don't like me here for some unknown reason ... LOL

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wind[bl]ows on a mac? well i wouldn't recommend it, unless ya have to stick with the fractal software your using on a pc ... but gotta tell ya, softwindows or whatever makes your mac act like a 80486 rather keep your pc aside and make there the fractals then export it to a mac for the finishing touch other than that you could get spangfract [which works in the classic mode {OS9} of os x] and/or get yourself artmatic pro, the turbo fractal generator, with which ya can make all kinds of fractals, UF to Apo smile but its a good choice to prefer a mac above a virus OS like winDOwS ... ya can read all about it in the forum of SpyMac where win/linux users and macusers bash each others head in about which computer seems to be better LOL good day Harmen

okay ppl if ya wanna have this made the longest thread, about the subject hot20 or whatever, then betta start typin' LOL starts whining i neva get in the hot20 ... gets tissues to wipe the tears guess i have to kiss some butts ROFL nah ... kiddin' maybe comment some more??? yeah thats it!!!! oh btw if ya wanna see my latest check the animation contest LOL the next one is gonna be in the 'animation outlet' which is gonna take a while, but it surely is a fractal, only too bluddy big for rendero standard upload oh well i am a busy lad, gotta make an 'atelier' [ better look up what it is in english ] LOL studio smile ... out of my house thats all for today :-)) been thinking though, with soo many fractal artists, is it not a better idea to make a HOT40 ? hehehe see ya around some time Harmen

well 'Irfanview' doesn't work on a mac, ya may try 'Gimp' which is also available for Mac OS X ... 'Paintshop Pro' doesnt work on a mac either hmm... anyways, i make the thumbnails in photoshop, with the 'Marquee Tools' i select the pixels which are 200x200 and copy them, then open new file, and save it as a WebPage Image, with which ya can chose how big it will be in quality OR i open ImageReady, use the 'Marquee Tool' and select and copy the pixels of 600x600, then open new document, paste, then resize it too 200x200, then Save Optimized As ... you can change the quality of that thumbnail and the file grows smaller OR use FireWorks to make your thumbnail If you have any other questions for the Macintosh feel free to message me Harmen

print at 200DPI and make the images larger at first... i render fractals to 5200x5200@72DPI ... thats large, i know, but i get the best quality print results ... the output to the printer is 13 x 13 inches at 300 dpi ... and you wont see any pixel :D goodday Harmen