One way to address the accidental not-checking of "Nudity","Violence" or "Both" would be for r'osity to chang ethe default to "both". That way if anyone forgets to set their level, it's "nice" material accidentally "hidden" from "kids" rather than "nasty" material accidentally shown to "kids" (quotation marks used sparingly ). E.G. basically manually mark as "U" rather than manually mark as "PG" or "18". Cliff Bowman

Thee does seem to be a limitation on the size of texture maps though - aren't P5 texture maps (with SR-2) limtied to 4K (or resized to 4K internally if larger)? Cliff Bowman

It'll never catch on

aleks: Yes indeed, but don't forget the makers of 3D Studio or indeed Lightwave (also reasonably large and have "the occasional patch" - some of which make SR-1 + SR-2 look...well, tiddly). I don't think anyone is holding CL blameless or even to be "about average" (I certainly haven't intended to suggest that they were in any way right to release when they did). [snip I was typing far too much unwarranted repetition!] Cheers, Cliff Bowman

Chaps, chaps - whatever the right thing to do IS (and here I make no comment) I'm pretty sure that infighting isn't it. I've seen far too many intelligent sentences/paragraphs from us all to believe that this thread is going in a direction worthy of any of us. Cliff Bowman

Moprh oops - forgot to say I hope you got some more coffee, and don't you jus tHATE it when you come back to a render hours later to find it crashed minutes after u left it? Poser4 did that to me too, too many times to mention :( Mind you, so have other Windows programs... see you in the sr2 beta forum ?!? :)

Morph: good on ya, but I wouldn't worry about opening old wounds - we can do that ourselves (and do!) from time to time anyway. IMHO the main thing is to be able to handle the response to what you type - and from what I've seen I wish I was as good at handling response to my thoughts so well and clearly :( MadYuri : I strongly suspect there'll be 2issues2 down the line somewhere, but by all that's holy I wish we had more of your cinema8 pre-release experiences with retail-release software :( It's nice to hear occasionally of a company that does the job "properly" - anyth job (from writing software to shipping cheap DVD movies - aniother story). Whilst I still think CL need their heads bashing together while we chant "thou...shall..not...release...software...this...unfinsihed...EVER...AGAIN!" I hope people are sending in "Good job, seems to work well" notes to Maxon. Cliff Bowman, cheered to end on a high note!

FyreSpiryt: I agree almost completely, with the one exception that the members of a small company can feel just as slighted if you attack the company as if you pick them out individually (ditto if someone feels that a product is the labour of much work of theirs they can feel slighted if it's attacked as a "piece of carp" or somesuch). Otherwise yes, everything else you say echoes my feelings. There's no reason for slighting anyone, or indeed any attacks at all - P5 has sufficient flaws for mere reporting of them tobe bad enough :( Marque: Aside from adding that IMHO it's wrong to protect either side of an "argument" (situation, whatever) by deriding the other, I agree. That has indeed been my issue with Artist3D - not what his initial issues with the program and company, but the apparent conspiracy-theory reaction to anyone having a different POV. God knows I've seen too many anti-Poser 5 posts which were bang on without resorting to anything but demonstrable (and repeatable) problems with the program :( I may have missed something, but AFAIK any "attacks" of anything like the strength of artist3D's posts have been offline? Or did I miss something? (probably). Cheers, Cliff Bowman (who probably OUGHT to just quit responding to people who appear to be 95% in agreement with him on this kind of issue).

Quite a lot on the subject has indeed been said in the past, and quite a number of people are able (or unable) to produce good/poor/no results from Poser5. Seemingly there are instances where other software/hardware combinations - most of which are not clearly denoted even now - will tend to paly nicely with P5 or poorly. Some CD-writing software, for example, apparently affects Poser - though grief knows why . The beta-2 forum is full of problems with the beta of sr-2, and suggested workaround for many (but certainly not all) of those issues. It is known to be impossible to pick up Poser5 (a far more powerful application in many ways) and treat it just liek Poser4 and get the same or better results. The renderer, for example, even when bugs are fixed will require more effort to set up "correctly" for many possible scenes than the P4 renderer - simply because there's so many more options. As to the quality of the program as released - well, it's poo isn't it? It's got major and minor flaws galore (SR-1 addressed something like 85 "issues", disregarding the "content" update!!!). Who is responsible for it being poo on release? why - controversially - I'd say that was us. . What do I mean? I mean that 2back in the good old days" (a time that never was) programs were bought that, in the main, worked. They were released largely when the programmers thought they were ready, and the price tag attached to the software was HUGE! And practically no competition. As competition has increased, the cost of software has been driven down - just like the cost of hardware. But, in a stampede of saving money over getting quality, we put up with it. Pentium processors with math bugs? We don't return the computer, we wait for Windows to include a math-bug patch when it recognises that we've got a buggy CPU. Windows crashes frequently? We reboot. This hasn't gone unnoticed. as the initially HUGE profit margin on software (and hardware) gets squeezed, the development cycle is sped up to maintain as high a profit as possible. Any developer who hangs back trying for quality over speed gets left behind in the marketplace, and ends up down the drain (generally). A vicous circle where products come out faster and faster, and cheaper and cheaper. Are they also going to be better and better programs? Well... Each tiem there's something bad about a program or major component (like CPU's which identify themselves to Intel) there's an outcry - but unless it's sustained and serious then nothing very much will change - and many of US "rely" on the latest software in order for our own companies to be "competitive"... a vicous circle of downward spiralling quality where WE are actually thr driving cause. If we stop buying poor goods then vendors wil lstop making poor goods - they can't afford to build stuff "on the cheap" if no-one buys it. I'm glad you made the (extremely sensible) decision of finishing your project before buying an upgrade to Poser 5 - a logical and reasonable chocie if ever there was one. Far too many people - people that I suspect get patches to windows and Internet Explorer on a regular basis, despite both products having been released eons ago - jumped in head first without checking the waters and expected Poser 5 to run smoothly - for some reason which I have yet to fathom (and yes, windows HAS been released with "critical" will-not-run-at-all issues with certain CPU's in the past). In many cases Poser 5 hasn't behaved terribly well (in some cases it's been just awful!) but the way the computer industry has been going downhill in the last 20 years or so it's not that much of a surprise really. Irritating, but to be expected :( If it's not up to scratch, talk to CL about returning it for refund. The licenses on these things often seem more binding than they are (local law and trading standards may over-rule the license - and this has been the case more often that you'd imagine). I'm not even trying to return mine because, like many people, I WANT that functionality - and we're (CL and the SR-2 open beta-testers) are doing our best to root out the issues and splat them. I'm doing it for my benefit, but if other users benefit from the resulting fixes then so much the better. If CL refuse and your local laws will not allow forcing them to refund, then start talking to the media, stir things up - get newspapers involved, whatever - or join the SR-2 beta test and add your bug reports (you just MIGHT help identify the source of problems which affect you, and get fixes written sooner rather than later). As for the next Poser, the next Windows, the next...anything which requires significant development work - expect it to have bugs. Because it will do. The larger the product, the more problems there wil lbe - possibly on an exponential basis. Verson .00 of any significant program has bugs - always has. or years it seemed CorelDraw! tensded to be stable (thanks to bug patches) some 6 to 9 months after release (yes, there WAS a "final" retail release which tended to corrupt documents when it saved them - a "critical error", which didn't get fixed for several months IIRC). grief, what a rambling post with too many points (some seemingly conflicting). but my main one remains the same - WE are doing this to ourselves. In this instance CL are merely helping us to send ourselves mad, but all major (and most minor) software vendors 2help" us along the same path. Cheers, Cliff Bowman

Well, for starters he hasn't BEEN immediately banned, has he? (checks Artist3D is continuing to post 2conspiracy theory" posts about Renderosity..) nope, he's still here. I haven't noticed (probably though lack of looking) anyone being harsher - or even AS harsh - towards Artist3D or other P5 dissenters (like myself about 40% of the time) as Artist3D appears to be against Curious Labs, Poser 5, and Renderosity. Sometiems it appears to me that it's allright to slag people off, but if anyone responds half as strongly in rebuttal then that's "attempted censorship". Freedom of speech is supposed to work from all directions, not just 1. Cliff Bowman

No problem - I've learnt a great deal from this forum - and been amazed at teh quality of stuff the more talented folk manage to accomplish with Poser 4. Long may the Poser communities thrive! :) Cliff Bowman

As with the POV-Ray version a few years back...I've increased the chances that the UK will be knee-deep in water sooner rather than later (no, all I did was click a map, honest!) Cliff Bowman

Assuming I read you correctly... ...and assuming that you have built a pigment-based "skin" to the correct template for the P4 female and merely wish to know how to apply that skin to the model... Load the model into Poser 4. Select "Materials" from the "Render" menu. From there you can select the "Figure 1" (or whatever the P4 woman is called in your scene) and then select the "material" names. Once a material name is selected, you can change the various values - including what bitmap to use as "skin","lips","nipples" and so on and so forth. Ditto for transparency maps (e.g. for the eyelashes), bump maps and - if desired and created - reflection maps. Poser 5 give you many more options in a "Materials" room selectable from the main view without dropping down the "Render" menu, but is somewhat less stable at present than the latest Poser4. Hope this helps, Cliff Bowman

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