Thanks for the tip! I hope it holds for overseas customers...! Cheers Stuart

Thank you so much for the tips on the rendering problem. I will certainly take that into account on my next image, but it is a bit late on my current project as it is extremely complex... so I will fix that in "post" work. On the versions thing, I am unsure if I have sent the card in yet... will have to check. But I actually live in the Middle-east and I doubt if they would send out an update. In fact I went into the store I bought it from today and noticed that they still have Bryce 3D on the shelves. When I pointed out that there was a new version available, they just shrugged and said they would put it up when it ships here. Meanwhile it is "buyer beware"! They were even unsure if I could buy an upgrade here, only a full version. sigh Anyhow, thanks for your help. Muchly appreciated. Stuart Anderson Andos