Is your answer getting me banned? :)

Quote - IBut if somebody says they are worse then V3, immediately after having been shown many times that the opposite is true, is confusing and provocative..... Consider this - BelleStudio has only made 6 posts in all on Renderosity. Every single one of them has been in a post that has something to do with examining the quality and usefulness of the new V4 figure. She seems highly disposed to dislike it. But does she present any evidence that V4 joints, morphs, or shaders are inferior to V3.

*V4 looks like a not very good mixture of V3, A3 and Gloria and she has morphs similar to The Girl´s with no name other than "Estelle" or "Francoise" or such, which is not very informative actually.
Quite a washout in my eyes. :(

Unfortunately DAZ now develops figures which are better adapted to the DAZ software than to Poser 5 and higher versions. Therefore major problems occur when using such figures and you need extra care to save your files.
Not a serious model in my eyes!

YOU ARE NOT ALONE !
LOL!
I will stick to V3, A3 and Miki ;)

*This looks like troll behavior. 

You would not look so desperatly for any possible reason to make me bad if you had not said something wrong and you did, do you? Do you think the number of my posts in a board like this tells you anything about me ? Then maybe it should tell me something about you too since this board here has an extremely bad reputation among artists. Did you know that? You are taking my other posts from their context. Who allowed you this? The other threads were made in a very different atmosphere and there were many people there who shared the same opinion as mine. So what are you trying to hide with this? You just cant bare having somebody in your thread that has another point of view. I NEVER critized your opinion, I just told mine. I just critized the way you made such rude comments against me because I have another opinion. I am in several boards and other members react just the same as I did when they get the anwer "what do you smoke?" etc. so just do not try to make something harmless that had another aim to reach: make me feel bad for not having the same point of view than you. A mature discussion is fair. Where the hell did I say that "V3 were better than V4" or "V4 worse than V3". Show me where! because I never said such thing, it was all in YOUR head. And I did not say that because it is not true. Just V4 is not worth to spend a penny more in my eyes, thats it because I think she is not smart and good enough for that. Thats all. It would have come differently if V3 and V4 had appeared at the same time. I quite frankly do not know how I would have handled then and which one I would have bought. Is this clear enough for you? 'You are a troll' I do not think you really know what you are talking about here. If you mean this fictional character of LoTR it can only be a trial to make a joke.

Quote - BelleStudio,

When you use the word "awful", I have to wonder what you mean?

One meaning (the original) of awful is "inspiring awe or fear". I'm guessing that isn't what you meant?

The other meaning is generally accepted to be "extremely bad; unpleasant; ugly" - to which I have to respond with "what are you smoking"? I'm not going to argue that V4 joints are indistinguishable from real human joints. But what you're saying make no sense. Let's define the "envelope" of a character as the set of poses within which the appearance remains somewhat realistic, with only minimal distortions. I'm of the opinion that V3's envelope is much much smaller than V4's. I can't imagine anybody ever thinking that a fully bent V4 hip or knee is real, but come on, are you seriously suggesting this is not an enormous improvement over V3? So is her  envelope 100%? No way. But V3's envelope was closer to 10%, meaning 90% of the poses you could plausibly see a human making did not look real on V3. I'd venture to say that V4's envelope is at least 30% and maybe 50%, depending on how picky you are.

Don't show me an example of a V4 joint that looks fake. Any noob can find those. Show me examples of V4 and V3 joints in similar positions, where the V3 looks more real than the V4 joint. As far as I can tell, that's pretty difficult. On the other hand, I can show you at least a dozen distinctive V3 pose failures that V4 has corrected. I don't know why you used the word "awful", unless you're a troll, because it is certain the V4 will require less postwork than V3.

I think it is time for you to quit the kindergarden: Are you really convinced that making people bad will settle your point of view as a general truth? Real arguments do not need any nasty words or defamations like "what do you smoke" or "picky" and so on(!) So you think your point of view should be shared by the whole world? This will disappoint you. I wrote my opinion on this topic and your post certainly did not change anything in it since it is not an adults one obviously. You cannot discuss any facts but only your bruised ego ;) @Operaguy: Thank you for your artful renderings and your help. I never use such poses and I think I can recognize postwork when I see some. I have done enough myself. :)

You did a great job! :) Cant you make such a morph for V3???? Oh pleeeeaaase! I have been looking for such a great Buffy morph for ages and I am a FAN!

V4 looks like a not very good mixture of V3, A3 and Gloria and she has morphs similar to The Girls with no name other than "Estelle" or "Francoise" or such, which is not very informative actually. Quite a washout in my eyes. :(

Unfortunately DAZ now develops figures which are better adapted to the DAZ software than to Poser 5 and higher versions. Therefore major problems occur when using such figures and you need extra care to save your files. Not a serious model in my eyes!

Quote - i don't know if it's just me but from what i've seen so far, V4 really fell out of the ugly tree and hit quite a few branches. When she first came out, i was really excited and some of the packages for her are nice enough, but the more i see of her in the galleries and compared to V3, she's a real dog. Her body reminds me of Miki (ie. a stumpy boyish figure that's overdosed on steriods) but seeing as i always do portraits, i don't really care that much, it's her face that isn't pretty. i know in time more morph packs and merchants producing characters for her will help and eventually i will have no choice cause everyone will be using her, but at the moment i'm really not convinced enough to bother purchasing her and i think i might just stick with V3 and A3. So does anyone else feel the same or am i alone here?

YOU ARE NOT ALONE ! LOL! I will stick to V3, A3 and Miki ;)

V4 has awful joints. This will need lots of postwork at least as much as for V3, so whats the point to buy her and her whole closet etc. too? This is nothing for me. I belong to the lovers of V3, Miki and Aiko. :)