Oh my, that was it... I was just going to Production Frame above... that's what I get for working late ;-) Thanks so much Mark for your help -- and for your kind and thorough answer to a pretty dumb question... CJ

Well dang, I've done everything suggested & I can't get a production frame to show in even the most simple scene. I'm in Camera 1, show camera in 3d view is checked. When I go to Show Production Frame I get the safe area dialog, click OK and get nada. Also the Show Production Frame menu item is not checked (and I don't know if it should be or not). Any other suggestions? Carrara Pro 4.1.1, Mac OSX 10.3.8, 800 Mhz 17" iMac...