Hello, sorry for the late response... it seems Rendo's forum notification thingy is still lazy. I'm also having yet more life issues right now, so no idea if I'm coming or going half the time.

Sorry, it'll be firefly to begin with, at least. Also, I'm using the Rama Drums product mainly, and I'm not too sure how the UV mapping is done on those cymbals, but there's no reason I couldn't have a blast at making a cymbal pack of my own and replacing the Rama ones with them, I'll look into it, I'd have thought making cymbals would be pretty simple really.

At this precise moment in time, I'm having terrible problems in my new flat (been here exactly a month today and it's barely habitable... nightmare!), so I've no idea whether I'll be in hotels, here or moving elsewhere. I need a break!

Might not respond for a bit but I don't want this to die. Thanks for the info so far, I'll try things when I can.

Interesting, thanks folks! Yeah, it's the actual light I wanted to hide from the reflections and speculars, I want the ring to show, but maybe using a torus will eliminate the need for an actual light. I'll have a bash when my current render is done, which is looking like a few days yet. Thanks for the help, folks, much appreciated!

Thank you. Yes, I tend to render at 2-3000 usually and it has started taking a very long time for some reason, I think my RAM is fried due to a power surge. I'm working on a render at the moment which I've had to restart five times now, as it keeps crashing. The render is pretty sparse, but it is taking around thirty hours or more to complete; I can only guess, as it barely gets through one fifteenth of the final pass before it crashes.

I want to put many of my pieces onto canvas, so I would need high resolution images for that, but I know that rendering enormous, then rescaling after edits is usually the best option.

Thank you very much for that, that's interesting! Yes, I have put 'bikini line' hair onto a piece in Photoshop before, where the original product didn't quite work for me, but that looks like a much more in-depth method and would yield much better results.

I will be animating one day, but we'll see.

This is the piece I mentioned. Also notice the 'peach fuzz' around the back of Annie's upper thigh.

I distinctly remember at least three users telling me that nobody would want to do the work with the body hair. I distinctly remember getting pissed off, just like this, when they said that and now, guess what? Exnem did the work and it is a fantastic product!

I shall now only respond to posts like that with: "SHUT UP!"

Oh my GOD!!!

Ok, so at the risk of really upsetting someone, this is my main issue here, which I hoped to have cleared up, but apparently some people don't understand. I'm not sure why, as it's all here, in plain English, and it's all on the same page.

wolf359 posted at 4:20PM Fri, 23 September 2016 - #4284389

This peach fuzz would not make V4 "Complete" IMHO and is only of use to those who render extreme closeup portraits.

Closeups which will inevitably have any chance of realism Destroyed when viewed next to 1990's Era transmapped head hair still in use today.

THAT is where I started bitching. THAT is what I took as basically telling me it's pointless. THAT is what I saw as an unwelcome comment. THAT is mostly what I'm getting at.

This is what I mean about this place, it's hilarious! I seem to have to draw a bloody picture for people, physically slap something into their face in order for them to actually see what I'm getting at. I had the same thing with the grid lighting being warped in another post. I asked repeatedly how to fix the warping at the edges and I posted a picture. In the end, I actually had to put marks on the picture to show the glaringly obvious fucking defects which anyone with a pair of eyeballs could see if they'd only bother having a look at the damn image! In the end, I scrapped the entire project.

Jesus, this is like trying to explain shit to a child, only at least one expects a hard time with that!

To be honest, I would rather have a thread full of silence than a thread full of nay-sayers!

The nay-sayers booed my questions about 'real' eye reflections. Now we have them. The nay-sayers booed my questions about strand-based body hair. We now have it. The nay-sayers are booing my questions about finer strand-based hair on the face, when the damn stuff actually already exists right now! Let's see where we end up, shall we?

I'm not pissed off because no one wants to do the work; I'm pissed off because all anyone can say is that no one wants to do the work! The fact that I have to actually state that perplexes me! See the above image quote!

Honestly, some users of this place are exhausting. Just go away if you have no constructive input.

I had almost exactly the same responses when I first asked on forums about 'real' reflections in the eyes. I suppose, if I came in here, asking for someone to calculate the salt content of human tears so that I could precisely calculate the correct refractions etc in Poser, I would get laughed into an early grave, yet that is precisely the kind of discussion which I have seen go on with highly regarded 'genius' members of this community.

This kind of topic is exactly where many of the new innovations we see are spawned from; without them, ideas wouldn't enter people's heads and things wouldn't get made. With that said:

What I also find hilarious is that all the nay-saying that has come up in this topic has come up before when I've discussed V4 body hair, and some of the exact same things have been said, it's as though the comments have been copied and pasted! Yet here we are, with a fantastic product from Exnem which does everything I was trying to do all that time ago, and everything that, excuse me for my arrogance, I knew it would do if implemented correctly!

I must say that I'm getting a bit tired of this forum. Out of four topics I start, I seem to only get a resolution on one of them, if that. I routinely have to make three or four posts asking the same question in different ways on the same topic before someone finally gets what I'm asking, even when I've posted imagery to literally draw them a picture!

IMHO, this community looks like it is dying, which is desperately sad. It just seems like the majority can't be bothered anymore. I honestly feel like not bothering anymore.

One person did elude to that notion, or did you miss it?

Look, I'm not going to argue. The original question was along the lines of "IS anyone interested?" not "Is anyone NOT interested?". This is the problem with forums; a question is asked and most of the answers given are not in answer to the question. "Does anyone know of... ?", followed by a dozen replies of "No.".

Jeeze, sorry to ask the world of you all. I'm grateful for the constructive comments from folks who have offered methods of doing this, but I find it irritating when people chime in with ways in which it won't work. The original question was appealing to anyone who WOULD be interested or WOULD know how to do it, not to those who are NOT interested or do NOT know how to do it, don't you see? The fact is that those responding negatively were not the ones I aimed this topic at, so they need not have bothered at all, it's so obvious!

The whole dynamic of forums is infuriating in this sense.

So, if anyone IS interested or DOES know how to do it, please reply, as your input would be greatly appreciated. To anyone who is NOT interested, thinks it's a waste of time or does NOT know how to do it, there is no point in responding because you are not going to contribute to the discussion.

I'm not disheartened by learning that it's difficult, that's a given really, I'm just tired of the same old arguments that crop up with things like this, eluding to the notion that the implementation would be pointless. I remember a topic where folks were discussing the salt content of human tears to calculate the precise amount of refraction involved in V4's tears! Anything is possible in 3D, and the reason we so rarely see photorealistic renders is because people dismiss the small details as insignificant, when they are by far the most important.

I'm sorry wolf359, I must be dreaming and not know exactly what I need for my own artwork. My mistake. Here was me, as a man living with low latent inhibition, who notices the tiniest of details, noticing the harsh line between V4's head and neck where the fine 'peach fuzz' of Exnem's product ends in standard, full-body renders, but I guess perhaps I'm just a freak who sees things others don't.

To be honest, I'm really, really sick of the negative comments about detail in 3D artwork. So you think it's pointless, so what? Also, for the record, I have never seen strand-based Poser head hair look as good as trans mapped hair which is done right. I've had this argument before and I'm sick of it.

It seems to me that the entire point of you involving yourself in my topic was to basically tell me it's pointless and pathetic, and it would look shit unless I use strand-based hair everywhere. Well, fantastic, please don't share such opinions again on my topics.

IMHO, it WOULD make V4 as complete a figure as any available for Poser and, at any rate, it is something I politely (if desperately) requested.

Boni, unfortunately, map-based hair would not serve the purpose here, though I see what you're thinking with that. I used a separate V4 figure with trans mapped body hair, perfectly synchronised with my character, Annie, before I got Exnem's product. It did the job at the time, but it was temperamental and often gave me bugs and 'z-fighting', especially in raytraced shadows and reflections. Also, a big plus for the strand-based product would be that it would catch light in certain circumstances. Exnem's product has 'peach fuzz' over the neck, upper arms, chest, back and thighs, mostly, and these areas look fantastic with the right lighting conditions, and no, they aren't close-up renders at all; they are what I term as full-body renders, which most of my pieces are, as I rarely like to crop a subject out of a piece unless I'm going for something like a bodyscape effect.

I know I have been blunt here, but I'm so utterly sick of the same old nay-saying going on here, it really gets me down and makes me wonder why I bother. I don't think I've ever done it to anyone else, yet it seems to happen to me a fair bit. Not nice.

If Poser's hair room wasn't a train wreck, maybe I could create it there, but it is a train wreck and I have spent years... no, really, YEARS trying to get body hair onto V4 with it. I finally gave up a few months before Exnem released the aforementioned product.

If it's that easy to convert V4 stuff to Genesis, does it work the other way around? Then again, I suppose for that to work, I would need to get Dson or something working... which it doesn't, after following all advice, tutorials etc.

WOOO!!!

I only needed the first tutorial and simply applied the advice to my existing project without needing to practice on a basic project! I now have fully functioning steering, thank you very much, Allstereo! I shall try and get an animation or something going on. There are some minor flaws but, on the whole, I'm very pleased with it! ^_^

Hürlimann H-6170T with a trailer full of maize. I think it looks nice! :)