Thanks all !

So much feedback and help!

I am walking out the door at the moment and will get back to you guys on my item list ASAP!

Thanks a lot everyone!

@razor thanks for the links man! I'm really grateful.

@Dustrider I suppose I just need to read up more on DAZ products and exactly why they seem to not function properly or not at all I am seemingly using the models they are intended to be used for. I thought on the cloth room as a possible side step to this complication but it seems I just need to put a little mroe research in.

Later I'll get a detailed list of what is going on and maybe the fix is very easy as for I am walking out the door to an appointment

Thanks all!

Quote - Easier does not always mean better. 

DS and Poser are two different pieces of software with different functionality. Which features are easier or better is completely subjective and varies from one user to the next, so no one can give you a valid opinion as to which is which. You have to try them for yourself and learn each one in order to determine which suits your needs/wants most acurately. 

Most users here use Poser, because this is the Poser forum and it has been around a long time (Poser is older than DS by several years), so opinions here are usually going to be slanted towards favoring Poser. Some of them use both, and some only use DS but lurk in the Poser forum waiting to jump on threads (like this one) that are known to start arguments. 

Use what you want to use and ask questions that are relative to the forum that you're visiting. In this case, Poser. 

Questions such as "is this Poser feature better/worse than that DS feature" are almost always going to cause an argument because no two people have the same opinion. 

Bottom line, if you want to use DAZ figures in Poser without a lot of hassle, (and the content made for them), then you will need to focus on the Generation 4 figures and previous, and make sure any content you buy for them is clearly marked by the creating artist that it works in whatever version of Poser you are intending to use. Not all Gen4 content will work natively in Poser, but most will, especially Gen4 content purchased here. Some of it is only made for DS tho, so you have you be careful and read all the product requirements. 

The Gen4 figures are also the most widely supported figures available for either software, so that is one bonus to using them. 

Any content you buy for Genesis or Generation 5+ DAZ figures, will require using DSON, which is a utility that makes Genesis-related content work in Poser. 

 

~Shane

Excellent thanks a lot! I appreciate the feedback. Yeah I guess I could not find the forum that was not product specific.  I am a bit emnaored with the Poser pro 2014 the videos looks amazing, but then again I am neophyte with no real context so I may just be getting suckered by good advertising. 

But one thing keeps coming back and is a valid point DAZ is totally free! and if poser if not markedly easier to understand maybe the cost isn't justified.

Quote - > Quote - @RHasteltine Yes I would imagine there would be certain elements of the tech I would not understand in regard to purchased items? My question would be in regard to poser are there less requirements and such when purchasing things and is the "applyability" more fluid with poser than DAZ

Yes, the systems are pretty close. Both applications, in their current versions, have various kinds of conversion tool that can help with using content fro one figure on another, though they cover different aspects to different degrees (Poser, for example, doesn't have any built in option for swapping the mapping so that you can use textures from figure 1 on figure 2; DS does offer alternative UV sets that allow some swapping, with additional options available in the store). However the distinction between settings and content is common to both - whether you find the DS system, for native formats, of having the settings in a sub-folder of the folder with the models or the Poser system of splitting the content across different libraries is going to be a matter of taste, and perhaps of how the other software you use handles similar issues.

Thats good to know, the wisdom I am getting here is that DAZ is free and worth a push or two to see if I can actually get it to work for me and feel comfortable with it.

Thanks for the help!

Quote - > Quote - I have been playing with 3D for close to 14 years, so a real new boy compared with some.  I started with Daz for a few years and moved to Poser when Poser 5 was around.  Since then I have moved through Poser 6, 7, 8, 2010, 2012 and now 2014 so I have been using it for some time.  For this reason I cannot really speak for the more recent versions of Daz Studio.  I did try version 3 and 4 but like some others it would either not load or was unstable on my machine.  In fairness I did not work very hard at getting it to work as, with Poser already running I had more fun rendering than trying to get software to work.

Having said all that, I would still recommend you try it Daz and see if it is for you, it is free afterall.  If you are new to 3D much of what you learn with Daz will not be wasted even if you do change programs as figures, poses and other aspects are much the same in both programs certainly if you do not include Genesis where the difference between Daz and Poser does begin to appear.

Finally, this is a great forum full of helpful people but, like me they have their own likes and dislikes, which may colour their judgement.  That is the reason that I gave some background so you can at least see where my bias may be for, despite efforts to be even handed, there will be some bias but I can only say it is not intentional.  Use the software you become happy with and have fun, I wish you luck

 

This is very good advice. I would add that, even if you intend to use Poser, learning a little bit about Daz Studio isn't a bad idea as you may eventually be tempted to buy products which must be converted using that software. And if you have adopted a biased view of it, you might lose a lot of flexibility in content that you would otherwise have. DS is free. I think it's silly not to use it at all, unless you really can't get it work on your system.

OP, Male_M3dia didn't intend to be short with you. But you described what could be a very complex problem, without giving nearly enough information -- like going to a mechanic and saying, "Help. My car won't start. What's wrong with it? Should I buy a Mercedes instead?" S/he's going to need to know a lot more to be able to answer your questions. 

I didn't interpet his tone as being hostile. Perhaps a little impatient. But not hostile.

If you have problems with Daz Studio or Daz products, Male_M3dia is a very good source of information, and he probably knows a lot more about both of these topics than most of us who post in the Poser forum. 

Yeah I think I'll give DAZ a bit of try it is free after all!

I did interpret hostility sorry and I really don't like to expose myself to that, we can agree to disagree on that I suppose.

I do appreciate the advice I think DAZ seems like it worth a bit of time to explore since it is free and I don't really seem to be getting any real negative feedback on its performance. 

Thank you!

Quote - I have been playing with 3D for close to 14 years, so a real new boy compared with some.  I started with Daz for a few years and moved to Poser when Poser 5 was around.  Since then I have moved through Poser 6, 7, 8, 2010, 2012 and now 2014 so I have been using it for some time.  For this reason I cannot really speak for the more recent versions of Daz Studio.  I did try version 3 and 4 but like some others it would either not load or was unstable on my machine.  In fairness I did not work very hard at getting it to work as, with Poser already running I had more fun rendering than trying to get software to work.

Having said all that, I would still recommend you try it Daz and see if it is for you, it is free afterall.  If you are new to 3D much of what you learn with Daz will not be wasted even if you do change programs as figures, poses and other aspects are much the same in both programs certainly if you do not include Genesis where the difference between Daz and Poser does begin to appear.

Finally, this is a great forum full of helpful people but, like me they have their own likes and dislikes, which may colour their judgement.  That is the reason that I gave some background so you can at least see where my bias may be for, despite efforts to be even handed, there will be some bias but I can only say it is not intentional.  Use the software you become happy with and have fun, I wish you luck

 

That's a great point DAZ is free and worth a bit of elbow grease to get to know. If there is a great advantage of simplicity for a novice like myself in poser that would be a tipping point but if not, yes free is always better!

Thanks a lot man!

Quote - Ok, when you say the Victorias, which ones?  Victoria 4, Victoria 5, or Victoria 6?  The reason I'm asking is Victoria 4 is an actual figure with mesh, textures, and whole basic shebang.  V5 and V6 are morph sets of other base figures.  If you don't have the base sets installed, the morphs won't do a darned thing.

Ok, from what you've stated, you downloaded and installed the free version of DS.  Did you down load the Genesis Starter Essentials and the Genesis 2 Female and Male Starter Essentials and install them as well?

Victoria 5 requires the Genesis Starter Essentials be installed as V5 is simply a morph for the Genesis figure.

Victoria 6 is requires the Genesis 2 Female(s) Starter Essentials be installed as V6 is simply a morph for the G2F figure.

V4 is stand alone base figure.

Now comes the fun parts.  V4 base, Genesis Starter and Genesis 2 Starter Essentials are base figures.  They have some basic expression morphs, and other things but if you want to be able to do anything more than posing in the default shape and making a few basic expressions you will have to invest in the morph sets for each figure.

V4 requires the Morphs++ package.  This has all the basic head, body and expression morphs. 

Genesis requires the Evolution head and body morphs.  The head and body morphs are sold indivually or in a bundle.  Genesis is a unimesh figure that can morph from child to male to female. 

Genesis 2 Female(s) requires the G2F head and body morphs.  Again, they are sold individually or in a bundle.  If you want to use the male, you have to buy the morphs for the male the same way.

If you purchased any of the Pro bundles for the Vicki's, you will need the morph sets to use the included characters as they are dial spin characters.

Clothing is another matter entirely.  Without know what clothing you purchased for what figure, I can't answer any questions.

Before I go any further, how much do you actually know about Poser, DAZ Studio and the different incarnations of Victoria?  I ask because there is a vast difference in some cases between what either app can do not to mention between the various versions of Vicki (sorry for the aliteration it wasn't intentional).

Hello there and thank you for the reply.

I bought victoria 4.2 with morphs and victoria 6. I bought clothes that were supposedly made for V 4 at least it said so in the description. The funny thing was they seemed to simply not work or they loaded only partially.

I am using DAZ 4.6 and I believe I have kept it updated and current using the download manager that comes with the software.

What puzzles me and what struck me was when I was shopping content it seemed that products for DAZ had a long list of reqs. But in regard to poser I would see the requirements were simply "poser X version and up." It led me to beleive that maybe incorporating purchased content into DAZ was harder and more difficult than with poser. But I may be mistaken on this, Am I?

Quote - It sounds like we have similar goals in 3d.   

i use DS4 and PP12 equally these days. and to make it more confusing Carrara8.5.

depending on what the scene is about.

I have to tell ya the Cloth Room and Dyn Hair are not easy, high level of effort and often disappoints. 

Aww man the clothes room looked so fun though!!! darn well I guess I need to roll up my sleeves and put on my reading glasses!

Thank you!

Sorry this kind of thing makes you so angry Malemedia, I can't really help you.

@vitachick yes I do have a partioned drive thank you. Another vote for poser thanks

@razor42 Thank you yes I would imagine it has a bit of "what one is used to" in it. If you were coming at it tabula rasa though would you drift to one or the other?

@RHasteltine Yes I would imagine there would be certain elements of the tech I would not understand in regard to purchased items? My question would be in regard to poser are there less requirements and such when purchasing things and is the "applyability" more fluid with poser than DAZ

@Malemedia wow you followed me here to post the same hostile drivel as from poser forum...are you some unstable stalker type? Do I need to be worried that I picked up a new "friend" from two innocous posts in a forum?

@hborre thank you that is good to know that each item has a particular EULA and must be checked on a case by case basis.

@Precsionxxx thank you for the thoughtful reply sounds like you favor Poser it seems like it is far and above a "stronger" product based on your analysis, thank you.

@ male media, I am simply brushing off your response as hostile maladroit nonsense one finds on the internet,