freek2 posted at 4:06 PM Sun, 21 July 2024 - #4487531

As long as the OP can clarify his stance and explain the cash grab manipulation that's he's been suffering through, then there should be no comparisons made because it has nothing to do with the programs themselves, because I agree that the comparisons have been done to death. I mention nothing about Poser vs Studio and I say nothing about features vs features so hopefully it will stay that way.

Oh? It's that simple to just learn an entirely new workflow, and then buy hundreds and hundreds of dollars of new content to use with their proprietary figures? Sure wish I'd thought of that.

/s 🙄

Oh, I see how this is going to go. I want to understand your reasoning for your comments but instead of an actual answer I get sarcasm. Well have fun I suppose.

Y-Phil posted at 5:52 AM Sun, 21 July 2024 - #4487519

JohnDoe641 posted at 5:11 AM Sun, 21 July 2024 - #4487517

freek2 posted at 2:20 PM Fri, 7 June 2024 - #4485893

DeeceyArt posted at 5:18 PM Thu, 6 June 2024 - #4485846

I wouldn't exactly call it proprietary sabotage. The same type of thing is true for graphics applications. Or, even office applications, for that matter.

I see your point, but I still cannot help but think it's all just a blatant cash-grab by DAZ: invent a character and roll out a ton of proprietary content, then when sales slow, invent a new character with all their own proprietary content, and repeat. It's just so exhausting [and expensive] to be shamelessly manipulated by this company time and again.

I'm really confused here. From what I'm reading it sounds like you don't use DAZ Studio so how can they be manipulating you if you're using Poser? lol

Also as someone mentioned, Studio is free, but all the base Genesis figures are also free, the genesis essentials are free, you don't want to buy anything... you can do that. G8 - 8.1 had five years where that was the latest and greatest figure in Studio but no one was forced to use G8, plenty of people are still using G1 and G2 without any issues. I get that you like v4 and that's all you want to use and that's fine but you're insinuating that a company that brokers content for their own software is bad for selling that new content for said software. Would you prefer that instead of innovating, they stick with a figure that was released in 2006 where content over saturation was v4's biggest enemy in it's later lifespan? I really don't understand where the issue is.

Each time someone mentions that the studio is free in a Poser thread leads to a flow of back-and-forth discussion comparing two products that are no longer comparable.
So please stop it, it's tiring.

As long as the OP can clarify his stance and explain the cash grab manipulation that's he's been suffering through, then there should be no comparisons made because it has nothing to do with the programs themselves, because I agree that the comparisons have been done to death. I mention nothing about Poser vs Studio and I say nothing about features vs features so hopefully it will stay that way.

freek2 posted at 2:20 PM Fri, 7 June 2024 - #4485893

DeeceyArt posted at 5:18 PM Thu, 6 June 2024 - #4485846

I wouldn't exactly call it proprietary sabotage. The same type of thing is true for graphics applications. Or, even office applications, for that matter.

I see your point, but I still cannot help but think it's all just a blatant cash-grab by DAZ: invent a character and roll out a ton of proprietary content, then when sales slow, invent a new character with all their own proprietary content, and repeat. It's just so exhausting [and expensive] to be shamelessly manipulated by this company time and again.

I'm really confused here. From what I'm reading it sounds like you don't use DAZ Studio so how can they be manipulating you if you're using Poser? lol

Also as someone mentioned, Studio is free, but all the base Genesis figures are also free, the genesis essentials are free, you don't want to buy anything... you can do that. G8 - 8.1 had five years where that was the latest and greatest figure in Studio but no one was forced to use G8, plenty of people are still using G1 and G2 without any issues. I get that you like v4 and that's all you want to use and that's fine but you're insinuating that a company that brokers content for their own software is bad for selling that new content for said software. Would you prefer that instead of innovating, they stick with a figure that was released in 2006 where content over saturation was v4's biggest enemy in it's later lifespan? I really don't understand where the issue is.

Rhia474 posted at 10:11 AM Sat, 22 July 2023 - #4470821

Yes, see here:

https://www.renderosity.com/article/27135/feel-posers-pulse-getting-stronger

hah I feel dumb for asking but those images and the animation, are those LF2?

parkdalegardener posted at 5:18 AM Sun, 16 April 2023 - #4462326

MazinkaiserDX posted at 4:13 PM Sat, 15 April 2023 - #4462285

First, I'd like to say I've never used Poser and I've been using Daz for 8 years, and yeah, making "adult" content. I say this so those who think that makes my opinions here moot can just ignore the rest of my somewhat lengthy post.

I read it; but will happily ignore everything else you have to say. You have never used the software and thus your post on the function of Poser, and how to use and improve it; are completely useless similar to many of the other posts in this thread. This thread does make for good entertainment each morning while I drink my morning coffee; but has no direct impact on my upgrading from P12 or switching to DAZ. I've watched these amusing threads for years but I still use Poser. Silly me.

The point of his post isn't to stop you from upgrading, he actually wants Poser to improve because competition really is what Studio needs right now. Yes I'm using Studio exclusively but before I switched over I was a dedicated Poser user having used Poser 4 - 11, I was active on this forum and both RDNA and the SM forums before they shut down, I also left the Poser ecosystem with thousands of dollars worth of content collected from 20+ years. You can take a look at my gallery here, it's not that great and I hate everything I render but I do have some stuff up dating back to 2011.

Having said that, I disagree 100% on what he said about Poser and Genesis. The solution isn't making Genesis the main Poser figure, that would never work and speaking as a former Poser user I wouldn't want that to happen anyway. I don't know what the solution is but I can tell you what my problem were and what pushed me to make the leap to Studio.

My biggest problem was content, not old content but new content for the more recent Poser figures. What really killed it for me was when Rendo took over publishing Poser from SM I thought that there'd be in influx of content for LF but there wasn't and I saw so much stuff being advertised for G3/G8 that it was overwhelming most of the time. I had to scroll ALL THE WAY down the product list to find anything for Poser native figures that aren't v4 and if I was having such a hard time getting to Poser content as a daily Poser user, I can't imagine how very casual users had the patients to find a single thing. Not only was the content hard to find the promos for the items usually weren't very good so if I did find something I might be interested in I usually was turned off to it by image three.

There's also the Poser GUI, I never cared for the big goofy playschool buttons style that followed Poser since the beginning but it's what we had and I got used to it. Later on I bought all the scripts and tools I could to replace as many elements as possible, like the Netherworks Scene Toy Pro and Cam Panel Plus that would start up when the program did so I'd never see certain Poser panels again. When I made the switch over the more modern interface of Studio was such a nice change, a bit confusing at first but I quickly figured it all out and the times I went back to Poser to do something the more I regretted opening up the program.

I also am not a big fan of LF, BH did an amazing job with her but she just isn't what I was looking for in a figure, I also think the bends are bad with wonky shoulders and at the time it was very hard to un-LaFemme LaFemme. Now, going back to my point on the heavily advertised G3/G8, they were everywhere on this site, heck G8.1 still is sitting at the top banner right now on my screen with three different products... but the promo characters looked so good and realistic, it's what I wanted to achieve and if Rendo was going to spam me with G8 products I might as well try them out. So I did and with my very first render I was more impressed with g8 than any figure I had ever rendered in Poser and that was that.

I've browsed the entire P13 gallery thread, jura made some nice architectural renders and some others posted some decent shader examples but I didn't see anything that would make me want to come back to Poser, once the figures are in the renders it all falls off very quickly for me. The version of Cycles that's in P13 should absolutely be able to rival iray in Studio, the problem is that with so many people using older content that's not designed for Cycles a render done with content from 2008 is still going to look like content from 2008 now matter how new the render engine is. If Bondware is hoping for a flow of new users it's certainly not going to get them by having renders that look like they were outdated ten years ago.

I don't hate Poser and I'm not bashing it, I'm just saying some of the reasons why I eventually left and made the switch to Studio. I'd love to come back because this was my home for a very long time and I miss seeing a lot of familiar names here, but I need a reason to start using Poser again and so far I haven't found it.

I haven't posted anything here in a long time but I still check back to see if anything major has happened. This makes me very... very very sad. :(

RIP Phil, one of the best and nicest people in this community.

EClark1894 posted at 3:29AM Sat, 22 May 2021 - #4418228

adp001 posted at 7:11PM Sun, 02 May 2021 - #4418209

@Summoner-Creations

Anything beside posing is only true if you are used to the way you do things in Poser and refuse to learn something new and different. Which in the end means refusing to accept more modern methods that might do things in a fundamentally different way. As an example, you mentioned Poser's camera and light. Those are actually more examples of Poser being decades behind. Look at what Blender can do with cameras and you'll be green with envy. And no, it's not difficult to use. Not at all. You just don't turn knobs like you do with Poser. You can control the camera by moving the mouse around in the viewport. Completely intuitive. Of course, Blender also has controls. Sliders instead of knobs like in Poser.

Poser used to have sliders back in Poser 1 and 2. (I didn't buy 3) Then Poser started listening to Kai Kraus and just F**** up everything! I originally thought they stole the idea from Bryce.

I really miss using Poser, but I don't miss using the UI. I bought every add-on/script that I could find that would customize or replace parts of the UI like Scene Toy + and Camera Panel +. I was never happy with the huge bubble buttons taking up so much damn room and now that I'm so used to Studio's UI, and without a serious overhaul of the Poser interface, I don't know how I could ever go back to it without those scripts if I ever wanted to use P12. (I actually don't know if the scripts are broken in p12 but I assume they are)

adp001 posted at 3:04AM Thu, 14 January 2021 - #4410188

WITH roughness :)

I can't place it, but I think that figure looks familiar and it's driving me crazy. Is it a model exported from a game?

Nagra_00_ posted at 5:08PM Wed, 23 December 2020 - #4405937

Eva, custom character morph, WIP.

Arrrrrg. This looks amazing, and at the same time it's killing me. The potential for PE was so great at the beginning, and your morph confirms that for me. LF is ok, she's the best base Poser figure besides the add-on morph for Alyson, Anastasia which wasn't a base figure but you still needed Alyson for it to work. But I still think PE is a better looking, more realistic, better bending, better figure for FBMs. Your morph looks nothing like PE's face but the great bends are still there, and if I didn't know what thread this was, I'd actually think if was a Genesis 3/8 morph tbh.

If PE didn't lose the small support that she had, I probably never would have started using Studio and would have stuck with Poser because PE was the only thing that was keeping me there until I made the switch. But now that I've seen this morph and if you're going to make more morphs like this, maybe I could start using P11 again and get back PE. D:

Y-Phil posted at 4:09AM Tue, 01 December 2020 - #4405869

I am sorry but I am slowly getting tired of these continuous comparisons between The Studio and Poser...

dForce is for... dForce-enabled items only, while the Cloth Room works with everything, from what I've heard.

That being said, please, let the crew take the time to make things evolve: P12 is an early access, not a definitive product. For me, the cloth room works, and P12 renders dramatically faster, that's great as is, for an early access.

You can apply dforce to any object. Applying it to hairs or clothing that are made well usually ends up looking really good. I still prefer Poser's Cloth Room though, the sheer amount of options simply makes it so much more customizable and once you understand it, so much more powerful.

Miss B posted at 11:36AM Mon, 02 November 2020 - #4402751

the

Fixed that for you. ;)

[ghostship2]

I don't understand why they can't show something like this instead of those... renders of LH. As wolf mentioned, DAZ is most likely not concerned with Poser 12 so they shouldn't be holding back any serious promo art because it's really hurting the enthusiasm I have for it and judging by the comments so far, I'm not alone. I think it's a bit too late already but it couldn't hurt for Bondware to really step up the advertising and eye catching promo art. This is their first new release of Poser, it should be marketed with a bang and not a whimper.

EldritchCellar posted at 11:53PM Sun, 09 August 2020 - #4396216

Hi structure. Yes, I spoke with a forum member via PM who's experienced with DS and was told the same thing. Obj or cr2. I think I'll finally install DS simply as a content translation tool, for now. More options are always nice...

Thanks for responding.

Careful with that. I intended my usage of DS to only be for exporting stuff to Poser but I walked away from my entire Poser runtime after getting used to DS's interface and I haven't touched P11 in months since the switch to DS full time. I didn't expect that would ever happen and certainly not after 10+ years of being in the Poser community and acquiring an extensive product library while having to start from scratch in a new program. I was wrong, kind of shocked after thinking about it but not regretful because Studio is the better option for me right now.

EClark1894 posted at 4:55AM Thu, 21 May 2020 - #4389374

Jura posted at 10:50AM Thu, 14 May 2020 · 4389085 Get SSD, doesn't matter which one but get one 512GB should be enough for your needs, 1TB doesn't cost too much

I get that Solid State Drives are faster, but are they better? I seem t remember that they fail a lot, although, I might be misremembering that.

In their infancy SSD's had issues, life span could be severely impacted by drive size and random corruption/lost data wasn't unheard of. SSD's have improved so much that I don't know a single person in the past 5 years who has had an SSD from a well known manufacturer fail on them. I've got three SSD's in my current system, one was a replacement for a smaller C drive and it was already a very old (in tech years) Samsung EVO 840 that I passed down to another computer that's been using it for several years without any issues. I'm pretty sure that they've become so robust that other hardware will fail way before any of these drives do. That said, I still have a backup and another backup just in case. You never know! D:

ghostship2 posted at 2:48AM Thu, 07 May 2020 - #4388387

ironsoul posted at 10:36PM Wed, 06 May 2020 - #4388380

For progressive refinement you can set the render to continue indefinitely and cancel when happy. - for example set pixel samples to 9999. Its worth exploring the presets and using progressive refinement + high sample count to see the impact the preset has on quality and time.

Do you render that way? Seems to take longer to render the whole image all at once instead of breaking it up into tiles.

It depends on the scene. For most, tiles are more efficient per rendered pixel but progressive will give you the entire image so you can cancel it earlier in case it meets your needs earlier than your anticipated.