I explained why I made the assumptions I did and apologised sincerely if they were wrong. I also answered Chas' comment as best I could. I can see you are very angry about this subject, but again can only say I am not attacking you or anyone else. I can see we can't take the discussion forward at present. Admittedly my purpose was to persuade people that your views were either mistaken or simply a misunderstanding and Epilogue has no predjudice, but perhaps only future inter-action with Epilogue would prove ( or disprove ) that. I can only hope that you and Epilogue can find a way forward and wish you all the best in your future endevours.

I admire ( and agree with ) your attitude elizabyte, rational and to the point. Disclaimer -this comment is NOT an attack on any person or group.

DarkElegance, I apologise if you see what I said as a personal attack, perhaps I could have worded my comments more diplomaticaly, it certainly wasn't meant to be an attack on you. Rather it is a reaction to the overall tone of threads like this. And O.K. the snob remark was childish. It's obvious you feel you have been treated unjustly, I'm not an editor nor moderator at Epilogue. I have no power or 'axe to grind'. I'm a member of both sites ( and I use poser in my work ). I don't know you or your work, nor am I criticising you. I'm merely trying to understand and perhaps reconcile your ( and apparently many others ) view of Epilogue with my own very different one. As for the conspiracy comment it was in response to you saying; "they wont allow any of my other work in". Again if I interpreted you wrongly my apologies, but goodness gracious, I'm not trying to make you ( or anyone else ) look like a 'loonbag'. I'm perfectly happy to accept people don't like Epilogue, what concerns me are your accusations of double standards and that Epilogue gets 'very mean' if you point them out. It may well be you have a point about inconsistences in judging various submissions, but that is after all a matter of opinion. We have discussed such things at length and always come back to the conclusion; we have to trust our editors judgement. They are volunteers and get a great deal of grief about decisions others don't agree with. In the end someone has to take the responsibility of judging submissions ( I'm to chicken to do it ). Chas we also accept both the rejection messages and the submision guidelines need some work, please try to be patient with us, we're only human. DarkElegance you said; 'Epilogue gets mean' if you point out 'their double standards'? Do you mean the response in the forum ( as the reaction to Bella's post for instance ) or something else? If the former, well that's just forum, I'm sure if accusations of unfairness against Renderosity ( justified or not ) were posted here many people would react 'agressively'. Blimey, just the responses about Epilogue's assumed predjudices have been -shall we say forthright. We're artists, just like you. Let's just try and accept everyone has an opinion about what is and isn't good art and often that will be different than ours. I'm sure no one here would seriously believe all Epilogue members ( or staff ) are prejudiced against a medium, despite some of the things said in the heat of the moment -( these comments are not an attack on anyone or any group ) LOL!

Epilogue rejected your work? I dare say the vast majority of images submitted to Epilogue get rejected, that doesn't mean; There's a conspiricy to keep you out. There's a predjudice against certain media. Or that they are Devil-worshiping, goat rodgering snobs. It means, your work was rejected. Disappointing yes, even annoying, but hardly something to get upset about. A part of creating and showing art, is finding places with like-minded people, who ACCEPT and appreciate what you do. Apparently Epilogue isn't the place for you. So what? I'm sure very many people here ( and elsewhere ) appreciate your work. Why bother with Epilogue if you don't get any joy from them? Please don't demonise an entire community, simply because ( in the opinion of the editors ) your work wasn't suitable -for whatever reason, wether you ( or others ) agree with them or not. I understand from comments in the forum ( at Epilogue ), that some of the stated reasons for rejection are hard to understand or simply don't seem to apply. Perhaps that is something that needs to be addressed. The 'obvious use of digital tools' and 'no background', along with 'Not Epilogue quality', being among the most cited. Bear in mind, there are a considerable number of submissions and the editors don't have time to give a fully explained reason for rejection, but use a list of 'standard' rejection messages ( which are obviously not up to the job ).

I'm sure there will be people at Epilogue who don't like poser, so what? By no stretch of the imaginantion can it be said that Poser is 'not allowed' at Epilogue, there are several Poser ( andvother 3D programs ) based images. As for a vocal element of the community having it in for poser, not one post in thatvthread denounced Poser.

If anyone at Epilogue said your work was trash, then that is totally unacceptable. Unfortunately the editors and moderators cannot check ( or even be held responsible for )every comment. If it was made in your gallery you can delete such comments yourself. If it was made in a forum ( I'm surprised the moderators didn't pick up on it ), you should bring it to an editors attention.

Let's not start any false rumours DarkElegance; I didn't see any post there saying Poser is 'cheating'. One of the editors ( McF I think ) said SOME people regard it as cheating and went on to refute that argument with a well reasoned comparison on early attitudes to photograhpy and art. The overall concensus seems to be; method is irrelevent, it's the finished product that matters. Which legitimate artists don't like Epilogue? Can you tell us their reasons? As for your own problems with Epilogue, well the ones you have stated do seem to be about rejection. Were you aware not so long ago ( around about Christmas I think ) Epilogue made a determined effort to raise it's admition standards? Could it be your accepted work was submitted before this? If not, well there are bound to be some inconsistencies, even in the most deligently controlled judgments. If you were tovpost in Epilogues work-in-progress thread, perhaps you may get some deeper explination of why each image was rejected?