i dont see sagging, not a hint of cellulite - if youre here bashing her, let me tell you if you gained 60 lbs you could only hope to look as good as her. damn straight. smooth as silk.

Attached Link: http://market.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=25331

i just wanna ditto my support for this: "i would like to see RO take a clear stand on this, and state that no matter what you think at the time, a merchant is held responsible for every pixel, every polygon of a product that they upload. and this applies for source photo packs, shared 'license-free' resources, collaborations, trades, etc. ignorance is not an excuse - not here or in any court of law. if you are a merchant it is your responsibility - and yours alone - to verify this. not renderosity's, not your customers, not the merchants, and sure as hell not the original creators."

BlackH... this is NOT about you. This is NOT about your rage abour YOUR bad experiences. It was NOT your product that got ripped off... so please stop going on and on with your personal vendetta, the point has been made, and now it's between the parties involved... Not some wanna-be judge and jury! I realise this won't fit with your attitude, but I really don't give a rat's ass for YOUR uncalled-for hatred here. its only personal as a fellow merchant. hes not pissed of just for himself, his pissed off for every other merchant who goes through something liek this. any artist hates infringers on any level. and they all will stand up for their rights with each other. theres little love between steffy and BH, but they both have had stuff liek this happen more than once. as a fellow merchant hes voicing his opinion, and if you read, its been appreciated by steffy above. she appreciates it as much as we all do. we being those of us who have had our work infringed upon. and you know what? next time someone infringes my work id be pleased as pie to have him standing up for me as well. his opinion may matter more than yours does because hes been there. you have not. you think he sounds pissed now? how pissed do you think he'll be next time this happens to him? and let me say once again, steffy has spoken her apprecation for his support and opinions.

dang it, los tmy post. so ill try to sum it up quickly. think about this. she would have to be insane to lie about this heyokabear. why? because if she is pointing the finger, she would have to follow through, provide all useable contact information to the necessary parties to get in touch with this person. if what she is sayin is true then this person would have to be contacted and dealt with for infringement since one has been so obviously made. in order to clear her name she would have to get them in contact with this person. if she cannot, and this person is made up, how would that look for her? then not only would she be busted for infringement, but shed also be caught red handed in a lie about it, how much worse could it get? she would still be held accountable until that person could be contacted and dealt with for the infringement. someone must answer for it. steffy still has every right to go to court about this, and the longer a conclusion is drawn out here, the more she might intend on doing so. more hot water. if all BMO did is lie about this heyokabear person, all she just did was make her situation 5x worse than it was. why on earth would someone in their sane mind do that? id liek to think Cindy, as her reputation would seem, has more scruples than that. she was careless yes. a mistake has been made. but in light of her response i will hold my judgement until we hear that this heyokabear has been found and dealt with.

doesnt matter if you doubt people would look, the benefit of rosity putting the option up instad of just u doing it yourself (thought about this for a min)is that people would know that information could be availabel. if someone is really tryin to help someon out, they would look. i dont think it would be much inconvenience. very helpful idea.

why not just add it to your profile page yourself anyway?

thanks so much guys! Giana, im so pleased you think so- that was one of the goals i kept in mind while making this.

The market place is there so we CAN see EXACTLY what we are buying. We work dilligently to create a product. Work even harder to make sure we properly represent it so that it actually sells. And then... It get's slammed for properly representing itself? this was soooo not the point of this thread. we are not sayin thats wrong or anything at fault with that or him or anyone who makes genital props and such and blah blah blah. NOT. its about the ethics, for lack of better locution, of products like this being here. some feel a line should be drawn. we are NOT sayin you are wrong so do NOT tell us we are. gabe was just expressin a concern, a community concern, not pointing fingers, not starting a witch hunt, not singling out anyone, not starting a war, not saying theres anythign wrong with the products or people who make them or why they are made, just that some of us feel that they might not be appropriate for the image of rosity, the avg rosity member, or future member or whatever...we are not criticizing you for your opinion, so you should not be doing so to his. not everyone is as liberal as some of you are. you need to remember that. and remember this is a community where the majority of people here may not think genital props or images acceptable at this particular site. its nothign personal. stop twisting things around and let this stupid thread die.

--skin is never a flat color. You have a basic skin tone and then you also have undertones. from person to person undertones can be pinkish, yellowish, greenish, whatever, its all very faint. You will also have different tone colors on diff areas, i.e. under the eyes, temples, chins, etc. so its always a good idea to use a bunch of diff colors.you can make light textures, you just cant make them flat and pale or your character will reflect the same and lack realism.

--iris could use a bit of detail and a color adjustment for realism.

--her lips look way cracked, and the lines are a bit crooked.

-- lower the bump map settings, i think its up just a bit to high for this.

In the attached pic (mirrored so you can see better) all i did was add in a few extra tones, and darken it up just a little bit. this way you can still have a light toned texture without it looking flat and pale. Defined the lips and tweaked the iris a bit. Its nothing drastic, not a whole lot of work, but it makes all the difference in the world. On the texture paint on some big splotches of ruddy colors, bluey-purply-gray under eyes maybe too, and gaussian blur em big time. Try playin around with layer modes then to get the look and oppacity you want. the point is just not to have an even color.

there is nothing even about human skin.

If you can, keep poser open while you are texturing so you can go back and forth between the two. sometimes colors will look way drastic and bold on the texture, but they render beautifully, so its good to always double check. just dont be afraid of color ;)

hope that helped some,
-Rio

dude. enough. DIE THREAD! DIE!!!!

no i doubt anyone here sent any letters to clint. even if rosity is deemed an adult site due to content up already, thats not the image i think rosity wants of the site. its hard for us artists to see that images like that and certain banner ads etc, may seem innocent to us as being 3d and all, but to people who dont use this medium or know little about it and its uses its very easy for them to think them as pornographic...esp with such realistic textures nowadays some might find it hard to determine 3d from photos, etc.

with this in mind, you have to understand how rosity is growing now, much more publicity, and so many new memers and just visitors who know little to nothing about poser art/products. a banner ad with the word erotic and sexy, let alone with pics of such description, could easily cause some frowns on people who come here thinkin its a "family" oriented art site. And ive actually seen/met a number of people under the age of 15 around here..but the point is, it really doesnt matter what the ages are or what you as parents would allow your child to see or not to see, its about the image rosity wishes to portray of itself. They dont mean to ban certain things as a personal attack on anyone or anyone's products, they are just looking out for their best interest...if rosity's own are complaingin about a certain thing, imagine what other visitors and new members who arent used to seeing things liek this around here might be thinking.

this has been a long debate and we've all read posts where people are complaining about what bosses/wives say when they are looking over shoulders... i remember someone sayin their wife was asking what they were doing at a porn site...People whove come here to join, but see certain ads/images or whatever and changing their minds... As artists used to seeing these images and products, knowing they are just 3d etc, we dont see these things through the same eyes as others, so that doesnt really make us fair judges. and again, in the end, it all comes down to rosity's image.

so in that, i dont think it would be a bad idea to exclude sexual organs from the store from now on, if that came to be...doubtful, but hey- image is everything, whether these products make the most money for the site or not, if people are getting offended or confused about what the site is really about then i would think that would take priority.

I think what gabe was getting at in starting this thread is this: Yes we all know that sexual items are always top sellers here, so what does that say about the site's orientation and how it is viewed by the public, whether members or not? it has little to do with just this specific product, more about all of them in general, this just happened to be an example. i mean really its not even just the picture, a product like that will cause frowns and get people complainin no matter what, just because of what it is and that it is here, whether you go to look at the pics or not. Because whether you agree or not, there have been people who have thought rosity was associated with pornographic material because of this type of content, and i really dont think rosity wants an association like that. its nothin personal.

If these products sell so hot then im sure they will elsewhere as well. For example, im not sure of the popularity of the rotica store now(esp when people are buying sexual items here), but if rosity were to exclude these items from the MP so people would have to put them up elsewhere like rotica, they will still sell. and i would think rotica is just the place to shop for things liek this.

again i doubt it will come to that, i mean they are top sellers so they are makin rosity the most money, thats hard to say no to. but at least that way no one could be offended by anything and rosity can keep up its PG-13 image.

This shouldnt be turned into a war over who thinks it is offensive or not, or that some people would find vulgar language as if not more offensive or not..we've all been brought up differently in different areas around the world and will all have a different idea of what is offensive to us or not. There are just some things that are still not publicly acceptable, ok wrong word, "likeable", "overlookable", whatever in any culture... you'll get a different reaction hearing the word fuck on a street than you would seeing a person walking down one holding up a poster of a close up genital shots. theres a reason why naughty mags are covered over on newstands. and why DAZ refuses such products.

as long as such sexual content is allowed here there will always be wars and rants over why we cant have this but we are allowed to do that, constant fighting and debate, all comin down on the admins. its here in the first place because this is a community and rosity is way guilty of always trying to make everyone happy. but as long as its up there will always be this debate, and the majority of us are sick of it. If these types of sexual content are removed then i see little for people to complain about- other than "wah wah thats not fair". you have plenty of places to sell elsewhere, rotica to cater to that specific audience esp, so your products will still sell... little left to be offended by at rosity, rosity keeps up a nice image, wars over offensive material and people getting frustrated at complaints will die down.

Marty knew that his product would probably offend people, and hed probably get complaints, even tho he tried his best to stay within guidelines. guidelines or not that type of material, and i dont just mean the promos, i mean the product themselves no matter how much work went into them, will always end up offending a good number of people, members or not.if somethin has the slightest chance at being labeled pornographic, someone will do it...and rosity takes the blame for havin the material up, more than the creator does.

rosity wants a certain image maintained of itself, and i think a lot of members/merchants here would like the same.

There is a lack of respect on many levels in this thread. Taking something public that could have been dealt with privately is one (although the image didn't belong, should have been pulled and I understand the outrage). this is so wrong. there was nothing to be dealt with privatley, no one was asking that it be removed, so much as discussing WHY it is there to begin with and WHAT that means in the MP, that was the point of the thread. the forum is a place for discussion, the point of this thread was to DISCUSS the morals or ethics or whatnot of adult content, and its extent, both shown and viewed here at rosity using a couple examples. you are way exaggerating, there is NO outrage. no RAGE, at least on gabe's part, at all. just mere concern as members, and as merchants. ya'll gotta stop twisting things and changin subjects and take a freakin chill pill before these posts continue. there is no need to be nasty. DISCUSS! not FIGHT! BEHAVE! or i will come and EAT you!!!

body painting rules!! they get so freakin creative sometimes its amazing, playin off anatomy and such <3...but yeah really, im kinda shocked theyd have something liek that on the history channel but i guess seein as it was painted over and a channel whose main audience are adults anyway, i dont see much offense i guess? body painting rules!! ;)

hey baba good idea! oh yeah, if you offer more pics people will look, hands down. that goes for everyone, just cuz rosity has spots for 3 pics doesnt mean you are only limited to not linking to more. good idea, for everyone.