I have read the threads here and there on this. I have not taken the time to read every single opinion. I do not feel I need to. This whole converstation is based on one original statement and therefore it is to it that I reply. Blackhearted is one of my all time favorite merchants anywhere for Poser items. Some of my best and favorite work has come from using Aeris and Nia. Both extremely fabulous products, both very real. Now as for the current complaint, why does this bother anyone? There are the conservative right wing people who claim that it's all about what it is, there are the liberal arguing that its all natural and/or freemarket, and there are those in the middle of the road stating that it was totally how it was promoted. Blackhearted, you seem to fall in the middle from what I've read. Why? What's the problem? Do you think even for one second I would have purchased Aeris, or begged for Nia as a birthday present if I had not seen extreme detail in your product shots? Nope, not on your life. And look what I'd be missing out on. I would have bought the old Genitalia morph hip replacement for Vicky or V3 if I could have seen how well it worked and looked. Not because I am a perv or want to do explicit images, simply because when you do a natural nude pose and the Genitalia should be atleast somewhat exposed on Vic, you see a crease in the mesh and that's it. Not very realistic, and those of you that know me know I push Poser as hard as I can to avoid post work, and I'd rather not post work a gental region anyway. So now, rather than the customer simply being able to go to the product, see what it is, how it works, what it can do... We all have to go chasing after the creator and get an image emailed and wait till all of that goes through before making a purchase. Alright. Fine. So be it. Guess from here out we should have to email every merchant for mor detailed images of what their product is? We should have to go through hours of waiting for reply emails and IMs so that we can make up our mind if we want to buy their product? shakes head So why do we have a market place if this is what it ends up coming to? Because, it shouldn't be that way! The market place is there so we CAN see EXACTLY what we are buying. We work dilligently to create a product. Work even harder to make sure we properly represent it so that it actually sells. And then... It get's slammed for properly representing itself? I actually think this is the worst part of the whole problem. Not that it was shown for what it was, or that it was what it was, but that because of everyone thinking their thoughts on it were more important than someone else's work, it has been altered in it's marketing. I have yet to buy it, and I may or may not, but now I have to go through the hassle of finding out what it is before I can even make up my mind. Cheers insomniaworks, kudos on being as kuel about all of this as you have been. I myself may have come unglued. Blackhearted, I still love your work and will continue to purchase, but your reasoning seems a bit askew on this one.

So... My general conception of this isn't just with this simple post started by the infamous Tisa, but on a grander scale with an all inclusive look at Tisa in general and her use of Renderosity.

Having been asked to view an image of hers by a coleague, I found a computer inhanced photo. I was slightly impressed with the alterations made, and considered it to be "art" as it was time and energy spent by the creator to justify it's existance. Hence, in the general scope of the deffinition, "art".
Now, then having seen this, I saw the gallery in which it had been posted in. I laughed it off as a miscatagorization. (I'm sure I just made that word up) Then I went to the artist's page to see what else they had compiled. All, nearly a dozen image that she had posted at the time were of the same structure: Computer Enhanced Photography. All posted in the Poser Gallery. All proclaimed to be renders done under poser.

Now, since this time, she has deleted most of her posted works, and changed the gallery of one "Cloe" to a suitable place.
When initially questioned about this art, her general reply was that she was a master at the program, and had found a new way of texturing that made all other Poser users work obsolete and unworthy of posting. (These were not her exact words, but in 3 paragraphs of text, the point driven to the heart)
When asked to provide a PZ3 of the image to put to rest the debate, no reply was given. At this time, debates over her work in the chat grew rampant. And then, I was informed of this forum discussion. After all of this, I feel that Tisa has little to no right to judge, let alone comment in any way as to the quality, or "art" basis of any Poser user whether a 1 minute newbie rendering their first image of a box, or the artist that makes thousands of dollars a month off from their work done in the program.

I know there are questionable items in my gallery as to if they should be deemed art or not, but my gallery is a factual representation of my growth as both a CG artist, and a person in general. To be slandered by this arrogance is both an annoyance, and reason for rebuttle.

Think of me what you will fellow artists and Renderosity users, but this "artist" is in my mind simply not a person who should be allowed within 1000 meters of any item any person deems as art.

Sincerely,

StrmRyder
aka, Daryn

Actually it is ISO... sorry... I'm at work and OSI is one of our distributors :/ Thanks nfredman

I know it's too late to enter, but I worked on this one in between dealing with work and all of the happenings of 91101 that have affected everyone. Just figured it'd be a waste to not atleast post it here in the contest where it was made for.

Something in the movement... Something in the orient... Dragons fly create my trance... Tao Lin and her fans begin to dance. Inspired by a lil goth chick dancer at City Club in Detroit and the "Mask Contest by pd11761". Not exactly a mask, but dancing and the orient were all that came to mind as I thought of an entry for this contest. Thanks pd11761 for holding this! See the credits for this render on my gallery page.