Bingo! Updated the prams on the post... Not the final render but near enough,,, Just goes to show the value of forums! =)

Thanks again! 

Looking Good Len =),,, Gotta remember that History Folder!!!! Hope I can resave the params now and they will worl.... Waiting for it to render....

Thanks... I'll check that... Totally forgot about it! =)

Quote - Now, I have copy and loaded others params and had Formula errors come up but it is always because they have used a Formula that I had not yet picked up from the Formula updates at FractalForums. Also it is possible for Params to somehow get scrambled in translation to and from Text, don't really know what happened in this case

Here I'm on default, out of the box as it were... This set I decided to save as an m3i and not an m3p as I had red it preserves image and params... Now the params of fortress it seems are lost and gon forever... so be it,,, I kust loaded a 1 fprmula Amazing box and saved it to m3i and it reopened with image and params intact,,,, No idea what can have corrupted...

Keep in mind I saved as an m3i and then ultimately as a text from which I c and p'd the params to the post here... and they too won't load... Reckon there must be a bug in the error trapping part of the code someplace... Will just have to double save in future to both formats I reckion!

Definitely don't think it can have anything to do with Mac or Wine interfering as the app has been running perfectly otherwise...

PS. Len, What do you mean by:  I'd redo all the Ini Dir setup (Do I have to mod this?)

Attached Link: Screenshot

Aaargh... Pulling my fair out! I read someplace that saving to M3dImage + Paramerer (.m3i) preserved both image and parameters... Great!!!
Saved Fortress....
Went to reopen it.... Only image opens and Formula error for ALL the params.

Glad I c&p'd the params to my posting so... 

Where are the params gone???

UPDATE... Nope... I'lied...

C&P'd the 'params' from the image posting here back into the app...same thing Formula missing???? That's that then for Fortress!

Thanks a million for the underscore tip... I had thought as much and that's how I've been using it... thought it only affected the preceding formula though. I found the IFS's didn't play nice with the 3ds or 4ds either.... not just the dIFS's

Guess there's a set pattern only in which they can be used in the hybrid...

Thanks Len... will take a look at this later on... I figured out the noise reduction part of it myself actually after posting thsi and also the switches... 4am... that's my excuse... It became obvious after about the temt mode etc being no more than switches... What I did n't know about was the info,,,

The raytrace part of the settings I am familiar with from 3d but the Stepwidth stuff I was not familiar with but fiddled around with it and got an idea what it does.... That said any time I tweaked the fractal view I had to go back in and fiddlwe with the stwpwith stuff ...

Only with this fractal so far... 

think I've already got the 'steer clear' message... Just wanted to see whay could be done... not sure why formulae like this get included when as you say they tend to be inherently noisy or complex... Rather not have em in... Same with 'redundant' formulae I find in several other frac apps I use...

Thanks again my friend

Zoo 

Barney Tree but cannot seem to be able to cñean it up and clour it... Can anyone help?

• Zoo

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Thanks Len... Makes perfect sense.... should have thought about that as being the problem alright!

Thanks Len... and how do you combine Looking and Sliding in one action.... Key combos???

Still seems frow what you're saying though you ideally should pick an aspect when zoomed out on the box to begin with and stick to that side... Bit of a killer when you're zoomed in... like the look of the 'impet on the side' and want to check it out in more detail.

I find that using walk, slide or look... more often than not I totally lose the fractal---blackout! Need to get the right kind of meds me to acquire the patience of a Saint!... I work almost entirely on impulse...

Please check out this thread for more info...I just updated

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2848736 

PS--- I have done 2 tutorials for Quadrium 2.0 (Not the flame app) One is a PDF and one a Video... Contact me if interested.

I also have a 4 video series I did for Ultrafractal 4... and will soon be doing a full featured DVD for UF5 concentrating mainly on the Mac site which will not be free...

Heads U... Software I use,,

Windows:

Fraxplorer -  (KPT Power Tools) Photoshop plugin / Mandelbrots and Julias
MBF - Paul Carlson's Baby... Still the Most Fun of any of the standalones...
Ultrafractal - For me the best allround Fractal app in town (but it aint free) - lends itself nicely to custom formulae, colourings etc and the above mentioned fun Paul Carlson Colourings
Apophysis 7X - Flame generator
Fractal Explorer 2.03_b2
Tierazon
VChira
Sterlingware
GrafzVizon
Inkblot
Flarium
Mandelbulb3d
Incendia
XaoS

(Thats the main lot but by no means all)

Mac

Ultrafractal (Native)
Quadrium 2.4 (Native)
Quadrium Prime 1.0 (Native)
Quadrium Flame (Native)
XaoS (Native)

Wineskinned and workin 100% or close to..

Fractal Explorer 2.03_b2
Apophysis 7X r17
Tierazon
Mandelbulb3d
Fraxplorer (Photoshop 7 on Snow Leopard only)

Hope this helps...

I have not tried wineskinning any of Stephen Fergusons Fun Suite with the exceptionof Tierazon...which works perfectly!

Hi Len, and all...

I have played a bit with MB3d now and then over the past few years but never really got stuck into it...

My first and biggest question has to do with navigation...

Is there a fast and simple way to ebolve an object in the y axis for example.

Say I have an object and the face I want to look at is hiffen and facing to the right of the 2d viewport... I want to swing it around so I can see it in 3d space...

from what I can see I can rotate in the 2d axis which is not much good to me,,,, or I can nove from side to side.. I reckon that if I have to zxoom all the way out to try rotate around the y in all these fiddly steps is a non starter as I will lose the view I was happy with to start with,,,, The view... not the POV mind...

bess Zoo,,