body-size and limb length makes a huge difference... I have a mate (huge lad) who reckons having long-arms is a disadvantage(!)... I agree for maybe on the few occasions your boxed-up under an overhang... but most of the time if I'm seconding him up something I have to find extra holds between the ones he used leading, due to the huge difference in reach!

Thanks Carolly, that's a cool idea! I just assumed that all Women climbers climbed like Catherine Desteville!... bare foot...no rope...hours on one finger...that kind of thing! ;)

"branded"(bit lame I agree)..didn't specify probably be Boreal or Kamet first as they're what I've got in the house! (my EBs got shredded a while ago!)

(phew) I thought I'd catch up on a thread or two B4 bed and here I am half way into the night!...what a beast of a thread blade! (looks down at empty can that once contained so many worms) "deceased equines" (LMAO) how true..it's never going to change.. everyone's different and will always interpret things in a different way, what one person thinks is beautiful another person challenges that it's ugly...it's what make art interesting! ...beware of sweeping generalisations, I don't mind the fantasy-style nudes.. they're pretty harmless and we're not forced to look at them (we are our own censors after-all) ..but I hate the idea of people avoiding the poser gallery full stop because they think all the art's the same..(that's bordering on narrow-mindedness) I myself have not had poser long, but have not felt the urge to post a "first nude" either.. my main reason for wanting poser was to make animations (simulations) of people climbing up rock faces..studies of the figure in movement..reproducing it artificially is proving quite a challenge naked climbing is not recommended (I have enough problems with rock-rash on my knees!)..

Thanks Kendra (watch this space.. branded rock-boots on the way ;) and Thanks again Roy..(twice) ingenious? it's kind of been born out of necessity more than anything.. I've not been using Poser long in the overall-scheme of things. The only other 3D modeling apps I have are so out of date that the exports don't work too well in Poser so I have been forced into testing Poser's object-creating capabilities to save hassle.. which so-far haven't been too limiting.. but I understand Poser's considered a bit naff for modeling generally, so your responses have been doubly encouraging.

Thanks Roy... The ropes/cables are made from cylinders parented end to end, that I then created a figure from, so I could bend the whole arrangement any-which-way by rotating the cylinders. When I was happy with the shape I exported as an .OBJ and re-imported back to simplify. in the rope version of the figure I included IK chains so the rope could be posed in smooth curves/swathes from two end points. Rich _________________________________________________________ (with ref. to question at 3DC;"what the heck are rock climber's nuts" thought I'd add this just in case I get the same question here)... sorry 'bout the ambiguous description... should of thought...non-climber's wouldn't have a clue! ;) (bit of a minority-interest prop! hence asking if anyone's interested B4 I upload) these things are used as a means of fixing yourself to a rock.. the wedge-shape (of which there are many sizes/types) gets jammed into an available crack in the rock-face. the wireloop can then be clipped into with a karabiner...to which you attach your rope, (which should be) attached to you... a leader can scale a route, belayed from the bottom, adding any nuts required for protection as they ascend...should the leader fall, they should only fall as far as the last nut they placed.. they are called "nuts" because back in the "Old-Days" climbers would attach ordinary bolt-nuts (with the threads filed out) to bits of cable and use them for this purpose. they're also called "chocks" or as "runners"(when in complete assembly with karabiners), there are similar devices "hexes" (larger) and the more mechanical "friend" (which I am also making as props) included pic. of complete Screwgate-Karabiner...