I hope everyone realizes they have alot to be thankful for this New Years, considering the recent events that have happened.
Happy New Year, and drive safely.
And drink responsibly...or at least try to:o

Message edited on: 12/30/2004 17:14

Theres a fine line between what people think are critiques and hurtful comments. If I were to critique a picture by saying "You didnt do a very good job modeling that" or "the lightings off", they would be looked at as hurtful comments, because I didnt add a compliment. Not all critiques should have a compliments. Sometimes people make bad art, (not any of you of course) and they need to be told it. Doing so at Renderosity would probably get you warned or banned. When you get a critique and you feel like flying off the handle and bombarding the critic with instant messages, re-read it first and see if theres truth in it. Im not a big fan of the "hey all my friends, vote me into the Hot 20, and I'll do the same for you". Thats just not my style. Renderosity has seen that kind of commenting for so long, that its now the norm for people to do that. Anything over the "Excellent job, vote vote vote" comment is hurtful. I dont understand why.

You forget though that there are different types of critics just like there are different types of artists. Some of the biggest art critics are also the most harsh.
I dont believe critics should be nice just to get there point across. Thats not thier job. Their job is tell you what you can do to improve your picture. Anyone whos trying to make art more than a hobby knows this. Be prepared for that. Renderosity is a nice community and the majority of the artists here give nice comments and critiques, but beyond this website, is the real world. If someone gives you a strong critique, no matter how hard it seems, try to find the message in it. Ive done some commishened work and Ive stepped out into the real art world, and Ive had some of the worst things said to me. I dont pack up my bags and say "well these people dont know what their talking about", I listen and try to improve. Every artist, be it the regular r'osity member or Van Gogh always has room to improve, and its the critics job to tell them that.

Message edited on: 08/12/2004 12:57

And this is exactly why I dont give critiques anymore. Maybe a "good work" here and there. Steer clear of the strong critiques as it may get you banned from the site. It almost got me banned.

I emailed and told him that it was slanderous to post that image and soon after he started to delete them. Im glad someone saved that picture.

His page is slowly but surely dying. This message has been posted on numerous art sites and forums. I guess hes got some pretty serious C&D emails from some pretty big people. One email told him to take the site down completly. I think hes pretty much done for.

Mullins is well aware of it. He was actually the first one that was told. I think the original thread at Sijun was "Mullins, heads up" I saw alot of work there from alot of artists I know. The guy that runs that site (and steals the images) told me he was taking the stuff down as requested. Hes also been harassed up and down from people (which I dont agree with). really dont think that guy knows what he really is doing. He doesnt seem all that bright and after being threatened repeatedly, I think he got the idea.

Its been posted at the forums at Sijun too.

hmm, Ive never even scrolled that far down the page before. Thanks

I critiqued a picture once and was threatened if I did it again, I would be hacked. I had to create another account because people would whine when I gave them constructive criticism. I dont really care anymore. For all the future artists and people who want to go somewhere with their work, if you cant handle criticism, then I suggest you find something else to do. The minute you send something to a potential client, theyre not going to kiss your ass and tell you what you want to hear. Theyre going to tell you what they want, and if you cant do it, they will find someone else that can. Everyone has to get better and hone their skills. No matter what artist you ask, be it a digital artist, traditional painter, etc, they all say they are not good enough and need to get better. For the ones who are hanging around in the hot20 thinking their newest 5 minute render is a piece of art, stop lying to yourself, because its not going any farther than this webpage. Im stopping here, because I dont really want to start a flame war. Theres no reason for people to get defensive over criticism. Its another tool to help you learn. I say Renderosity needs to get rid of the ranking system and voting for awhile so people can stand back and see what they are doing right or wrong.

Yes, but you dont grow if people lie to you and say a picture is "excellent" when in fact it could use alot of work. Lying to someone and giving them b.s. critiques while voting them into the "hot20" makes the person think that they dont need to improve because they have the words and votes of their friends. I could point out alot of examples where I see this happening. If you want to make a picture just to get applause from your friends, you should do it somewhere else. This was supposed to be a legitamate art site and its not. Its more a trash can full of artwork that wouldnt make it on any other site. Perhaps some of the more "popular" people should at least try to do what Im saying. Post an image at another art site, gfxartist or digitalart.org and see how far you get. The majority of the people here are blind to art, and just because they can upload a picture, they think it is art. Whats the point in having a beginner gallery, if all the beginners are in the poser or 2d hot20s? So there isnt any progress being made.

No, no one wins money for being in the hot 20. I see what I was trying to explain is getting lost in a bunvh of excuses on why its ok for Renderosity to be a popularity contest. I see this site as a refridgerator door where people can post whatever pictures they can. Just because you made a picture doesnt mean you should post it. Alot of artists know that you only show your best work. I find it funny that Renderosity has a forum for people looking for work. Ive been told by a few people that they would never come here to look for people, not because no ones good, but because the good stuff is hard to find. Im done with this, I just urge everyone to try and become better artists. Remember that the worst critiques are often the ones you learn the most from, and a nice "wow, what a cool pic, youre my best friend" comment doesnt do anything. Ive seen people move to othe art sites (albeit slowly) because they knoe exactly what I mean. The thing that keeps Renderosity alive (it's popularity contest) will be its demise because people can only take so much. People that have the authority on this site, mods or admins or whoever should think about the quality and quanity of work here. Just a thought.

The popularity contest isnt in the hot20 alone. Its on the entire website.

For not knowing html, it looks really good.

Theres alot of good Bryce items in the "free stuff" section on this site.