...alas "I" don't look like that (except when I need to get my contact lenses off) and that was the whole purpose of the excercise. Then there's the whole matter of the posers being crosseyed when you get them into bryce...

manners? that was on purpose, I WANTED to sound grumpy, because I was. I just forgot the smiley, you're right about that :)

Jaager, it's simply a matter of taste. I can figure out Rhino and trueSpace, but on the occasions I've tried RDS and Carrara I just felt annoyed. So I won't shell out the $$ when there are other apps on my wishlist. Thanks for all the suggestions, I seem to have found a working combo of Compose and Rhino. And I did indeed get rid of the eyelids without deleting them.

I was thinking, if nothing else works, is there a way to keep the pieces as separate group members, like when you import the posers into bryce, so I could simply take the eyelashes and move them into the head somewhere hidden, and then work on the edges of the eyes? So not deleting vertices, just morphing them into oblivion...

I know about the magnets, but I can't get them to make smaller, less froggy eyes. In fact they're so unwieldy it would be easier for be to make the changes post render. Anyway, I seem to be able to work with rhino, I just wish I could delete those stupid lashes, but they're part of the "number of vertices" required to get it back into Poser. Anyone know a workaround for that?

yes, I was just checking out the anim8or tutorial, but I can't figure out how to use it yet :) I'll go look for traveller, thanks :Pia