I think that RAW mode is neither RGB nor CMYK. RGB & CMYK are smaller subsets of a larger colour range. Are you saying that even though I converted the image to CMYK, because I am viewing it on my monitor, it appears in RGB colours, but if i actually print it out it will appear differently? Thanks GDV

Think you supplied me with some good info to get started. I read up on out of gamut colours from what you were saying.

However, I was more thinking on the lines of photoshop not having a palatte of RGB colours at all to work from. ie - any automated process such as filters would automatically have to select the nearest CMYK colour from a specified profile, as opposed to any 'ole colour it fancies and THEN telling you that 5000 pixels all over the place are out of gamut. is it possible to set photoshop up like this?

found some good info on RAW mode:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/understanding-series/u-raw-files.shtml

i'm still a bit confused about the camera aspect of things & perhaps this is the wrong forum to post the following point in, but i'll run it past you because you seem like a knowledgeable chap. :o)

i take the photos on my digi camera & save them as .jpgs on the memory card. i then postprocess these images. in my reading on the net, the advice seemed to be to convert these images to CMYK before doing any postprocessing as it would be easier to manage. However when I do this the image is completley screwed anyway. do you think that this is due to the format being a .jpg in the first place? ie - when the camera saves it onto the memory card it does it as a RGB .jpg? i'll post two examples of images below.

good example - i think the confusion from us non-mathemathicians come from the definition we apply to 'chaos'. we are not thinking of the word chaos in the sense of systems but in terms of true randomness. To quote one of the links i posted above: "In physics, chaos is a word with a specialized meaning, one that differs from the everyday use of the word...." "Rather, chaos refers to the issue of whether or not it is possible to make accurate long-term predictions about the behavior of the system. " cheers! GDV

thanks v much for the info kerry - think you & another friend pointed me in the right direction. some other links that were helpful in understanding what you meant were: http://order.ph.utexas.edu/chaos/index.html & http://www.duke.edu/~mjd/chaos/chaosh.html cheers! regards GDV

An interesting point. just to clarify - are you using the word "chaos" in a mathematical sense? "Chaos = A dynamical system that has a sensitive dependence on its initial conditions." regarding the last part of your response, is it fair to say that if something has infinite detail, that it is chaotic? Surely, given infinite time & the desire, the order can be ultimately worked out? regardless (of this longwinded approach), the fact that you know the formula indicates that detail follows a fixed rule & therefore can be nothing but ordered. I must admit to not being aware of the detailed mathematics behind fractals, so please set me straight if i'm confusing the issue. Thanks GDV

drat!

thats what i thought regarding the way to do it - just remember seeing some stuff related to the mathemathica site about custom filters. thanks for the info m8:o)

cmyk to rgb conversion - v annoying

acdsee 3.1 rocks! better than infranview IMHO:o)does batch tasks as well being an awesome filebrowser that makes a good explorer alternative. you need vers 3.1 though - anything after is too bulky. im me if you have difficulties tracking it down :o)

ahh - btw cynlee, you are right about the clan - its on the row behind the one with the jar - directly behind 'private demons'. it was previously in the first row. didn't remember i had moved it.:o)

lol @ tedz setup - hope dem bears don't revolt. you might wanna keep some marshmallow guns & a supersoaker water cannon handy for crowd control;o)

thanks very much :o) waves & chortles happily