Yeah poppi working with the phi files and building a hiarchy tree/setup is awesom,thanks to all the good info and help from this site i can make this guy poseable soon as i made him a year ago but never felt confident to poserize him as i tried once or twice and the mesh split all over the er..joint ; ) now i just gotta work tonight then im off for a few days so ill be updating my rigging skills from now on and hope to add sonic and the elephant to freestuff (Thanks about the elephant its my cats chewtoy in real life,and now it sure dont look too much like an elephant thats for sure.) all the best and cheers. khall

Thanks for taking the time to help me out with the advice guys,special thanks to poppi,I did it that way with uv mapper pro that i bought and made a phi file and it was easy from there just joints and rotation orders to setup which i learned about from a gingerbread man tutorial. http://www.jabberdoggy.com/Tutorials/Gingerbread/GBMatrix.html incase anyone else was interested and reading this post. by the way here is that toy elephant finished/test render in cinema 4d.needs tusks and so on but i was just mucking about. cheers again lads. khall