Oh sorry i forgot to add, for swamp, how did you find out David Ho uses bryce? Ive been looking into something like that as well, like the virutal scenes i described, im not sure if poser can do that. And im sure if it can it still would be easier in a program like VUE or Bryce. But then its hard to see bryce vs. VUE, ive read so much on that. Price is no issue, just the least troubles to get across what i want to. I heard bryce doesnt do shadows good. But after playing with the demo, both are intuitive, and easy to get started.

Cool thanks for all the help. I do have a good idea of what i want to do. I grew up doing photography, and there is just some scenes i know will be too difficult to pull of without doing so in 3d. I kind of see David Ho using poser and etc, like a virtual photography studio, bryce being the backdrops he creates, poser the models, and photoshop for post, like real photography. Im not really gonna go crazy with the nudes, some of them look amazing, but usually its the quality of the image i like, not a naked 3d model. Metaphorical scenes, more or less is what i want to create. Im not really worried about the learning curve, so far ive learned about 30 music programs, and write articles and tutuorials for some of the more popular ones. Free time taken away like stated is and issue, but not like i have any deadlines, and art should be fun first.

yeh i searched the forum, but that can take hours, and for some reason renderosity loads real slow, even on dsl. As far as computer goes, i have a amd 2600+, 2 gigs ram. So i think thats enough. Mainly i just want to make images, yeh some photoshop, and maybe even later on down the road, shorts animations, if i had to give an idea of what i wanted to do. David Ho, i really like what he does, i dont want to copy, but that kind of art.