thanks for the help. this hands down is the best forum ive been on. i may have messed up on my counting. i said i needed dr. #4 thats tom baker right? whats the easyest program to use to create figurer's.(if i git good ennuf ill try to build his head) at the moment ive got poser 4, lightwave 7, photoshop6, and the two ive read about the most so far anim8er and wings. is there any others that are worth gitting? thanks y'all