it is very interesting to see where this topic gone since I started it almost 4 months ago and it was just a complaint about the amount of bad poser pictures in the holyday contest and it was never intended to be about the question "Poser, yes or no?" if you have fun with it than enjoy yourself. I have a story about my recent experience with Poser, two weeks ago we got at work a project about sumo wrestlers and my creative manager decided to use a poser figure that he bought for about 18 bucks even though I told him that I can model a very good model of my own in cinema4d he insisted that we use the poser figure (in my opinion he is an idiot that dont know a thing about 3d) so eventually after a lot of arguments I decided to let go and try to do it in poser and now after I tried it for animation I have to say that it is probably the worst animation software I have ever seen (and I have seen a lot) and eventually we used interposer in cinema4d but still its also a dificult way to animate. Maybe some of you may say that poser is not animation software and it is not intended for complex animation and this is what I think, so if you think so please call the stupid creative manager and tell him about it cause he doesnt listen to me and he wants to continue the work with poser.

RavynGyrl, I dont think you understood me completely Please read my last post.

Hi, Poser users, I dont think you understand what I ment when I started this thread and luckily for me brain21 is my only suporter here. I never said that poser is not art and poser is not a legitinic tool but you cannot put it side by side with the all made 3d because it is not the same. Of corse its art just like photography and 2d are art but both are not 3d art, I know that poser is also 3d program but its like comparing photography and 2d painting, they are both 2d but they will never be the same and this is the reason why in the last contest they divided to specific sections like 3d and 2d and photography and this was my first complaint that was blown to the question if poser is a good tool or not so I think that poser and all kind of tools like poser should be in a differnt section. Just one last example to explain my point, currently I cannot make a figure with the ditails of the figurs that comes with poser so do you realy think that its fair to compare betwen my model that is medium+ quality and a top level poser model that was bought online?

SO dont try to win prizes by using other people work!!! That was my complaint I havent got any problem againts Poser users I just say that its againts the contests rules to use pre made objects and figures and this is what you are doing. SO if the rules say that you need to make an original work from a to z than doing only half the job is not the same. In my opinion this is the end of this thread cause you will never understand what I am saying. p.s. You say that you cannot afford a high end 3d app? Have you ever heard of Blender? its open source and its free so give it a try.

I dont think you understand what I am saying and that is because you are all poser users and you think that poser is a relevant app and I also belive that poser is a relevant app but it will never be the same as doing everything by yourself, you say that it takes 20 hours to make a good quility image, do you know how much time it takes to model one man with cloths and hair and textures (the same quality as poser figure)? more than a few days and I didnt even count rigging an posing. But you guys never did it so you dont know and you never tried so you think that its the same so its not. My stupid boss is using poser and he tried to make me use poser as 3d app and it was the worst experiance I had with any 3d app so I know a bit poser and how bad this app can be. I have to say that it pisses me off that people think that its just the same, just give it a try and make the same image you made in a real 3d app like maya or max and than tell me if its the same. I thought maybe I can put some sense in some people here but I see I cant. Just one last thing, this is like the differance between a really good italian dinner and microwave spagetti, eventually you will have in both pasta but it will never have the same taste.

Than put it in the photography section cause its just the same
I dont see any reason to compare between a guy who actually modeled Santa (for example) and set his clothes (of coarse he modeled them as well) and set the hair and texture and every little bit in the model, and on the other hand there is a guy who paid 18 bucks and downloaded Santa from his favorite site including the clothes and hair and they will even give him a special price on the carriage and his deers.

I want you to understand, I have nothing against Poser, I think its a great software for what its suppose to do and I saw some really amazing work that was done with poser, but what I am saying is that you cant compare between a guy who did every little bit in the picture and a guy who did some lightning and render settings.
You see, lightning and render settings can take 30 minutes to complete but a good old scene that was entirely done by someone can take even 30 days.