Thanks. I modeled the jar with wings. There are some other items in the scene I did in wings as well. I get a little frustrated with wings at times. Mostly when it won't do what I want it do.

lhumungus thanks for the comments you left in my gallery. I agree with your comment regarding the lighting in the one scene. If you read my posts lighting is one of those areas I'm constantly working on. As to your remarks about Bryce not being a true (my words not yours) modeling program. I agree. That was an is why I've been searching for a program that would complement Bryce. I refuse to abandon Bryce. I'm a little hopeful that DAZ is working on a fix for Lion. If what I read over at DAZ is true. That being said, even if I can't create true models with Bryce I can a least texture them, arrange the scene in a realistic environment with out having to worry about XY or Z coordinates well I struggle with lighting and atmosphere. Silo is some thing to check out next. The gods willing I'll still be Brycing.

It's not so much the terms. I know that. With Wings it's the fact that there isn't a GUI interface. I'm never sure if what I'm doing is correct. Especially when the program is not doing what I want it to do. I haven't play with the google app yet. I've looked into Bender. I know it's open source. I found it a bit overwhelming. Mainly. I just need a good tut.

The interface. There isn't one. The program is work in progress. It's hard to navigate around and I'm not sure but I don't remember if there ara any tutorials. I guess I need to check it out again.

Ravyns yes I have tried wings. Look at my gallery to see. It also has a lot of limitation. I need something more roboost that doesn't cost over a thousand dollars.

Hi David,

I am a great admirer of you work. I understand and agree with what you've posted here for the most part. I am one who tries to create 100 present in Bryce. Bryce is not without its limitations. (Software bugs aside) I have the need to use a person or two to complete a scene. Also I would like to create what I will call vector models in Bryce. Back when DAZ was still asking for input as to what we the users would like to see in Bryce I advocated a model lab. Instead we got other (in my opinion) Useless labs.  DAZ however feels that this is what Carrara is for. (The better then Bryce app) I don’t like Carrara and find it a user UNFRIENDLY program.

So I have been looking (still looking) for modeling software so I can create my own models and then drop them back into Bryce to create and render the scene.

I will.  But I don't think I'll be getting a quick response from them.

You know you can still buy a new commodore 64 http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64.aspx And I still own a copy of B5. Hey I'm in business! Apple will rue the day!!!!!

I've been reading the heated talk over at the DAZ forum as well. 

I think you're within your rights to ask that of us. I hope so far it has been civil. It's good to hear differing points of view, even if you don't feel the same way.

I have a lot of respect for the people who attend this site.

Time to find some new software to use.

To those of you who are windows users if you didn't use a Mac you really can't point a finger at Apple for our wows. (This has nothing to do with any type of perceived war between to two operating systems. Frank I could give a care.)

The reason being is the Mac OS releases are not the same as they are on the pc side. Apple's OS updates are viewed in the Mac community as a good thing that will only make your computer work better. Apple doesn't have service pack updates. I have yet to update my Mac OS and have any serious problems with the OS. The same can be said for Lion. My computer is running better with the new OS and has new added features.

  As you have already stated the first release of your OS is always buggy and riddled with problems. Windows! Not Mac. I have been a PC user since the early 90's and felt the pain every time Microsoft did anything to their OS. This is why I use a Mac for my everyday life.

 This is not the first time that Apple has changed its architecture. It happened when Apple went from OS 9 to 10. At the time there was a transition period between Cheetah to Puma (10.0 to 10.1) before Apple stopped supporting the old software. The same thing is happing now as Apple transitions to their iOS platform.

As I have already pointed out the Mac OS has been a very stable platform. I don’t have or are having any problems with my OS. Lion has been great so far. In fact I’m really digging all the new features. There I said it twice.  The problem is and has always been with Bryce. I.e. DAZ.  There have been numerous upgrades to the Mac OS since DAZ has taken control of the Bryce program. And the software has remained buggy the whole time. DAZ even told me once that the problem would be fixed at the next OS release from Apple.

 Now that DAZ is offering Carrara 8 as an upgrade for both Bryce and Hexagon users tells me that DAZ isn’t going to be getting around to fixing the problem anytime soon. If at all for Mac users.

 So I guess we leave it there.

Gee if that were the case I'd still be running OS 9 and B4. The last truly stable version of Bryce.

Clay I can agree with some of what you said. There are always problems with OS updates. 9 to X, Windows 98 to XP to Vista and so on. 

 The problem still lays with DAZ. Bryce has been buggy since the 6 release. 7 was going to fix most of the problems and it didn't. If anything things got a little worse. There are people at this site that were creating in B5, and rendering in B6 or 7 just to get the job done.  

 I also agree with Dgerzeeboy. The developers have access to the beta before the release to check compatibility and any other issues. If DAZ was serious about retaining it’s customer base they would fix things right the first time. Then they wouldn’t have to give their stuff away for free or at ridiculous low price.