Quote - If you're so concerned about sexual misconduct, xxxander, you might also want to consider changing your username - many people immediately associate "xxx" with hardcore pornography.

You know..I said I was done with this God forsaken thread...but someone linked me and told me to read....let me tell you a couple of things.....

ONE YOU can stop bolding my name and acting like I am something sick or sinister...my name does NOT mean anything sexual BUT even if it did I am a GOD DAMN consenting adult..who ONLY plays with and gets off with other ADULTS period. Don't fucking assume anything about me.....

TWO No I am NOT impartial and I never will be, and I will ALWAYS speak out against this kind of bullshit.....if any of you wanna get off on photos, renders, paintings of nude children....then there's not a damn thing I can do about it..BUT keep it off the forums...NO ONE wants to know about it.....and IF you put it on here..ALWAYS expect VICTIMS like myself to speak out against you....sheesh......and yes...MOST of the time these people DO act out on their "fantasies".....READ UP about pedophiles...also..they can ever be "cured" they ALWAYS re-offend.......so FORGIVE me for standing up for what I believe is right.....

Everyone carry on with this ignorant debate..I am almost done with this site as it it....shakes head

And PLEASE no one link me back here......I don't CARE ....

Quote - >>I am SO done with this thread.....I hope all of you that think child nudity is  an "ok " thing can lay down and sleep at night!!

There is definitely a difference between child nudity and child porn. This statement suggests that I would have to cover my six month old nephew when I give him a bath?

Please don't twist my words..you know EXACTLY what I was talking about....shakes head I have a four year old..that I bathe......come on!!!

I now see WHY I stay out of these threads.......this IS my last word on this subject..

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I am probably gonna get flamed ALL to hell and back, but I agree with the TOS....I don't care if it IS just "pixels....I am a recovering sexual abuse victim..and I mean HORRENDOUS abuse....and trust me when I say....these sickos get off just as much on those "pixels" of nude children as they do a photo of them...I would rather BAN all child nudity...in "pixels" and in photographs on the internet than have the thoughts that some pervert is out there getting off on them.....wouldn't you? shrugs OH well.....I am out..and I am unsubscribing.. ;-)

xxxander, I truly sympathize with you and hope you find the equilibrium you seek and deserve. But there is a difference between the depiction of sexuality and the act itself. Child abuse is not, for the child, sexuality - it is brutal and manipulative, it is exploitation by a "responsible" adult of a person who is unable to assert his or her own human rights. I certainly wouldn't flame you for your personal beliefs, borne as they are from traumatic experience, and I'll say something that will be far more likely to get me flamed: I have no doubt that not all sexuality involving children is abuse. I'm sure that's not going to be a popular theory, but we are speaking about human beings here - we are, many of us, sexual creatures. Often, the ones who protest most loudly are the most sexual of all, but they have their own agendas to promote and either others' sexual agendas don't mesh with those, or they simply don't want other people to enjoy something that they themselves either can't or don't want to.

I don't think a 5-year-old has any business in a sexual situation. That doesn't mean that there aren't 11-year-olds that do enjoy and desire it, and even engage in it, with each other and with partners of vastly different ages. Are they mature enough to make that decision? Some are, and some aren't - again, it's the human nature that we don't all follow the same development schedule, either physically, intellectually or emotionally. The best thing that adults can do is to try to guide children in making smart decisions, and in most cases, that means deciding not to engage in sexuality at a young age. And it's hard for children, especially from that prototypical 11-year-old on up, to deny their sexuality, because while 'adults' are screaming about how our children need to be protected (because it's always better to seal someone away from something than it is to engage in intelligent and informative discussion, right?), they are also using that imagery to sell clothes, music, cell phones, make-up and even toys to those same children!!. We say how wrong it is to even think about children sexually while we sell schoolgirl and Girl Scout costumes to women - we say it's okay, it's only an "accessory," but what is really happening is the most gross form of hypocrisy; we don't bat an eye when we buy the DVDs and look through Playboy - a magazine where the minimum age of the models is 18, but the average age of the viewer is probably 50. So if we are going to claim that youthful sexuality is unforgivable, we are going to have to take a serious look at ourselves first.

If people find sexual satisfaction in digital simulation (and I suppose they probably engage in digital stimulation at the same time ;)), no one is being abused (okay, except for the self-abuse, and that's a stupid term, too, when you think about it). Child pornography laws need to exist to protect children from people who can't determine the difference between right and wrong - they do not need to exist to prevent people from thinking about children in a sexual way if that is all they do or will ever do. There's no proof that the average person will enact any fantasy that comes to his or her mind, sexual or otherwise - most people do know the distinction, and those who don't clearly aren't being restrained by the laws, are they? How often do we see on the news that some "sicko" has kidnapped a child, has abused that child and sometimes worse? The laws exist, but the only thing that they can do is prosecute someone who has already offended - they don't stop the people for whom this is an actual problem.

If people "get off" on pixel pixies, whether they be fairies or realistic CGI depictions of young teens doing more than making a sand castle, I'm okay with that - better that they do that than acquire photographs, because there is a likelihood that a child was abused in the creation of a photograph, while the only abuse going on in CGI is to the CPU. I say, the more realistic, the better, because whether one considers it perverted (I personally find bondage, latex and water sports perverted and sick, but they aren't illegal) and anti-social, the act of enjoying visual sexuality is not abusive of another human being, and if the audience finds the satisfaction of a realistic fantasy without the involvement and exploitation of a child, that's better than the law coming in after the fact, when a child has already been hurt, perhaps for life.

if TWO 11 year olds explore their sexuality together..that is FAR damn different than some sick pervert raping one OR staring at art work of a nude child and jacking off!!!! And you say that if they use "fantasies" about children sexually....it's better than the law coming in AFTER they have been hurt...WELL I am SORRY.....those people that have the "fantasies" ACT UPON THEM......they don't just use the art.....shakes head......I am sure everyone that is all for child nudity would feel really different if it happened to you...OR your child!!!!!!!

I am sorry after reading this crap....I have no words...........

I am SO done with this thread.....I hope all of you that think child nudity is  an "ok " thing can lay down and sleep at night!!

You say "Ban the perverts"...laughs saracastically HOW do YOU know they are perverts..the man who brutally raped/molested/abused me for SIX years.....from age FIVE to ELEVEN...was a CHURCH member....an "upstanding citizen"......you NEVER KNOW who the perverts are....and yeah I DO agree that a sick f**k can get off on ANY type of art....CG, photos, etc.....but WHY WHY WHY give them anything TO look at as far as children go?? What's the big deal...and WHY would anyone want to render/paint/photograph (for the public)..NAKED CHILDREN???? I have seen BEAUTIFUL child like faeries that are FULLY clothed..they don't have to be showing breasts..or God forbid...genitals!!!! 

I am now an advocate for sexually abused children..I ALSO go into chatrooms.....under other names portraying young boys and girls (to keep the real kids from those bastards)..and you would be FLOORED at how fast....this "child" gets bombarded with cam invites of OLDER MEN masturbating..or IM's asking for sex.......it makes me physically sick sometimes to have to talk to those pervs, BUT, if it keeps them from preying on REAL children..then I will suffer through.....it's a SAD, SICK world we live in.....and it's even more sad when people bitch and moan because they can't put art of naked babies on the internet.......Get over it!

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I am probably gonna get flamed ALL to hell and back, but I agree with the TOS....I don't care if it IS just "pixels....I am a recovering sexual abuse victim..and I mean HORRENDOUS abuse....and trust me when I say....these sickos get off just as much on those "pixels" of nude children as they do a photo of them...I would rather BAN all child nudity...in "pixels" and in photographs on the internet than have the thoughts that some pervert is out there getting off on them.....wouldn't you? shrugs OH well.....I am out..and I am unsubscribing.. ;-)

A little late on this thread, I've been sick, but I sent you an IM here!! :-) Alex

awww I guess I missed it, I was going to do it just for the hell of it..since I have one of your kits..haha...OH well...that will teach me to have to go to the ER and be sick huh?? :-P

Am bookmarking and just want to say.... Damn..sorry Gabe...Can't say I am sorry for the other guy..he was entirely too...what's the word I am looking for here...umm...oh I don't know the word, but he got WAY under my skin... edited cos I hit enter by accident haha

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oh no! I had the same problem with my last release......Hmmm I don't know....I don't know what the character concept is to give name suggestions haha ;-)