DAZ3D opened this issue on Dec 19, 2002 ยท 70 posts
DAZ3D posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 10:09 PM
Attached Link: http://www.daz3d.com
Just Released! ***Victoria 3.0 at DAZ Productions, Inc.*** DAZ has done it again, this is absolutely the most advanced female figure available anywhere! And for a limited time, you can get Victoria 3.0 at a great introductory price! Even better: buy either the Victoria 3.0 base product or the Upgrade product AND the Head Morph Pak AND the Body Morph Pak at the same time and get AN EXTRA $10 OFF!!! Victoria 3.0 has been redesigned from the ground up. Touting an enhanced, high-resolution polygon mesh (over 74,500 polygons) with completely new joint parameters, this figure has smoother joint rotation and morph deformation. As a result, posing and animating the female form is more true to life. The amount of head and body shapes and overall character variations is unprecedented. Victoria 3.0's head alone contains over 250 separate morph targets, and her body: over 150. Through improved grouping and mapping of Victorias UVs, seams have been minimized greatly allowing for easier mapping of the figure. Victoria 3.0 is sure to become your favorite character to use in Poser. And wait until you see the new textures that have been developed for use with her new UVs: you have 5 different texture packages to choose from, or even to combine!, and form a library of textures for your new figure that you just wont believe! Come see for yourself! www.daz3d.com Thank you all for your wonderful support through this last year, we hope you enjoy this latest work from our team and we wish you a very Merry Holiday Season!!! DAZ Productions, Inc. www.daz3d.com sales@daz3d.com 1-800-267-5170ar2g posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 10:14 PM
of course it's impossible to even get on the website :P You guys and your freakin good models!! AR
dialyn posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 10:24 PM
I know I'm a dim light but I don't understand the difference between all the different texture maps. There are five different texture maps packages in addition to Vicky 3 in addition to her head morps and her body morphs. If I need to buy eight different packages to use her, I can't afford to invest in any of the packages. Could you explain what the differences are to a techno idiot like me? The price for Vicky 3 (with the Platinum Club discount and the original discount) seems quite reasonable until I started looking at all the confusion of add ons. Any help available??????
milamber42 posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 10:26 PM
Do you know when you will have her wardrobe ready?
LadyJaiven posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 10:38 PM
GOT HER AND ALL HER STUFF!! MWAHAHAHA!!
ElorOnceDark posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 10:39 PM
MUAHAHAHAHA! I have her too!!!!!
ElorOnceDark posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 10:39 PM
Installing now....
Rhiannon posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 10:41 PM
Muahahahaha ... LOL Lady Jai, I'm downloading as we speak ... whoo whoo ... I'm gonna' have some major fun during my holiday break!!!! YES!!
Jackson posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 10:43 PM
Thanks guys! You made my year! Dialyn: I'm a tad confused about the "highlight & contour" maps myself. All i can figure from the description is they're easier to use if you stink at lighting. I'm no expert, but my take on it is this: The difference twixt high and standard resolution maps is size...high is bigger and gives more detail. (And takes more space and more time to render). I believe you could get away with any one of the map sets. Unless you're heavily in to close ups, I'd stick with the standard res regualar maps. Or, you can not buy any and wait for free ones to show up. When V2 came out, free textures were available a day or two afterwards.
Rhiannon posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 10:43 PM
Dialyn, right now I only bought the upgrade, the head morphs, the body morphs, and that new faces package that is only 1.99 for Platinum Club members, and the total was only $31.00. Not bad, I'd say. Figured I'd start small and think about those other packages later ... besides, she's backwards compatible with all the stuff you already have. :-) Rhi
dialyn posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 10:47 PM
Thanks...it seemed like a lot of options to show up all at once. I nearly went to impulsively by but remembered I've had some unexpected expenses this holiday season and investing in Vicky 3, no matter how pretty she'd look in a temple, is just beyond me. I am certainly looking forward to the great renders that will come out of this. Have fun, gang!
Jackson posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 10:51 PM
for all you guys who got her already, are there easy-to-follow instructions for inserting those morphs and stuff? Also, the "V2-compatibility" cr2, does it change the whole body back to being v2? Or is it still V3 capable of taking V2's clothes and maps?
MachineClaw posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 10:51 PM
dialyn: I has some of the same confusion, but think this is it: Victoria 3.0 Universal Texture Maps (High Res) or (Low Res), think these are the "basic vicki v3 textures" Victoria 3.0 No Gen. Texture Maps, no genitalia or nipples. Not understanding what these would be used for myself. Victoria 3.0 Highlight/Contour Texture Maps (HighRes) or (Low Res). Highlights are ON the textures, cant NOT have them so they are for different effects of lighting that the Universal textures don't have. Fashion Model Face Maps for V3. Basically a face makeup kit if ya want it. So, way I see it is is 3 full textures sets in dif flavors, and a Face makeup texture pack. That makes 4 dif 'sets' to me. "you have 5 different texture packages to choose from..", I'm not seeing the 5th set, then again, maybe its coming. If I'm wrong here please more info, after 15mins this is all I could figure out...haha! So many decisions. So little cash.
dialyn posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 10:57 PM
This was my five count: Victoria 3.0 Universal Texture Maps (High Res) Victoria 3.0 Universal Texture Maps (Standard Res) Victoria 3.0 No Gen. Texture Maps Victoria 3.0 Highlight/Contour Texture Maps (HighRes) Victoria 3.0 Highlight/Contour Texture Maps (Standard Res) I think I'm counting the HighRes separate from the Standard Res, but I haven't a clue if anyone would buy both or not. Thanks for the break down. Appreciate it. :)
Crescent posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 11:25 PM
When I saw this thread, I screamed, "If this is a 'Made ya look' prank, then someone dies!" Woo Hoo! Downloading as we speak! If tomorrow wasn't paycheck day, I'd call in sick. (And I'm supposed to get some sleep tonight?!?)
Rhiannon posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 11:27 PM
Am I correct in assuming that character mats for V2 will not work on V3? Oy!
ElorOnceDark posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 11:42 PM
Yeah, you are right Rhiannon. V3 is mapped totally different. Her skin is all in one piece. Not a front and back. Big improvement in my opinion.
Rhiannon posted Thu, 19 December 2002 at 11:54 PM
Yup ... I figured the maps would be different. I guess I just don't understand what I read: V3 to V2 Cr2 and OBJ Backwards Compatibility for use with V1/V2: Poses Clothing and Accessories Maps Compatible with V3 Head Morphs V3 Blank CR2 (identical to V3 CR2, but without morph channels for injection) So can someone tell me what this means? In two-year old Poser language? Pretty please?
Crescent posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:07 AM
5 maps:
Head (nice size for face. front and back of head laid out.)
Body (all one piece.)
Mouth (teeth and gums. Every tooth is labeled!)
Eyes (all in one spot.)
Transparencies (eyelashes, eyebrows, etc.)
The seam for the body is straight down the back - the spine and inner thighs. This will be a nightmare for people wanting to make back tattoos if they don't have a program like Deep Paint 3D. (Then again, there's always a problem area due to seams, it's just a question of where to put the problem area.)
The texture template is color coded so it will be easier to create textures. Some of this will be an SOB to convert from V2, but there is a Vicki 3 to Vicki 2 that can use V2 textures. (I just tried it with dalinese' Brown Sugar package and it worked just fine.)
ElorOnceDark posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:11 AM
It means that they include a version of V3 that will essentially use V2's body, with V3's head morphs. Just think of her as an advanced V2P4. Otherwise, V3 is going to need new clothes. She's not grouped the same as V2. For instance, her neck only has one piece.
Rhiannon posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:17 AM
I will go ahead and bitch about this, I do not like the way these morphs are set up in my pose folder ... I've got enough stuff in there, this makes it ridiculously long, it adds 26 more items in there to scroll down. I tried adding all the head and body morphs, but when you close Poser and go back in, they're all gone ... and it takes a few minutes to load 'em all. Maybe if you save it as your default state?
dialyn posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:30 AM
Attached Link: http://www.daz3d.com/pages/faq/faq.html
Some of you might want to take a look at the faq sheet. Does explain the difference between the maps. They are apparently planning tutorials for DAZ Arcana which may help. Not that anyone can wait to play with the newest toy but they might help at some point.Rhiannon posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:31 AM
Thanks for the confirmation Elor, that's kinda' what I thought ... and I agree, she is going to need new clothes. Some of the clothes that have morphs may work, but many won't. But you know, I've never tried texturing and had considered attempting something ... this mat looks like it "could" be a bit easier to work with ... dont' know though, 'cause I never tried it, but I think I will now. :-) V3 looks pretty awesome at first glance ... wish I could stay up, but gotta' get some sleep. :-)
SAMS3D posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 5:04 AM
OKay, I think I got it, the upgrade is for V2, and you can use V2 clothes etc (even maps?), and full V3 you get a whole new model, new texture template, but will my old clothes work on the new full version of V3.... Sharen
sparrowheart posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 6:50 AM
Is it just me, or have the DAZ texture maps gotten a whole lot better suddenly? These V3 maps are really sweet. Good work, DAZ! Now, off to the poorhouse for me. LOL Kimberly
PabloS posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 7:02 AM
Sharen, the FAQ states "The Victoria 3 Base Upgrade is the same product as the Full version but requires either V1 or V2 to be installed" V2 compatibility is accessed by a separate "OBJ model and CR2 figure, for backwards compatibility"
Rhiannon posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 7:13 AM
Just HAD to get up a little early and experiment. V3 is definitely pretty awesome ... the V3 to V2 option allows you to use V2 mats, and also V2 clothing with no problems at all. Depending on the clothing, some can be morphed to fit her with little difficulty, depending on the clothing and the morphs you apply to the V3 figure as well. One thing I have discovered, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, in either case, V2 facial and body morphs do not work in either case. But, the new morphs that come with V3 are excellent ... she does take more time to work with, but I think the end result is much, much nicer.
SAMS3D posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 8:18 AM
PabloS....you just lost me here V2 compatibility is accessed by a separate "OBJ model and CR2 figure, for backwards compatibility" Let's be simple with my simple little brain, I have Vicky 2, I want to upgrade to Vic 3 with all the new stuff, what am I buying? Sharen PS: thanks for helping the village idiot
SAMS3D posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 8:18 AM
what is backwards compatibility?
LadyJaiven posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 8:33 AM
gives Daz a huge kiss I love you guys in more ways than one! I stayed up through the night, setting my alarm and getting up to check my downloads (dialup! lol) and everything is done! She so totally rocks, guys! Weee :) Sharen - You gotta get the base upgrade and the textures for Vicky... And backwards compatibility means you can use the V2 textures on the figure that is "Vicki 3 to Vicki 2" :)
Jackson posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 9:15 AM
Sharen, I haven't got it yet but here's the way I read it: Whether you buy the ugrade or the full version, you get two characters. One is V2's body with a V3 head for backwards compatibility (will take v2's clothes & maps). The other is the complete, all-new V3 (will need new maps and clothes, but is much better). But i could be wrong.
rasputina posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 9:22 AM
mahaaa! I also am loaded up on V3 and her various accoutrements! I love the options of just loading what you want at a time. Congratulations DAZ! Wooo!
SAMS3D posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 9:38 AM
So the best one to get, even if you have v2, is all-new V3...right? Sharen
Rhiannon posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 9:41 AM
Sam, whether you buy the full version or the upgrade (requires that you already own V2), you get both the all new V3 and the backward's version to V2. If you already have V2, then just buy the upgrade.
SAMS3D posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 9:43 AM
Thank you Rhianno, I will just buy the upgrade and the morphs right....thank you for clearing this up for me...Sharen
Hawkfyr posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 9:45 AM
Loading only the morhs you want keeps the file size down. I think it's a great idea. She is awesome and very responsive because she isn't loaded with all those morphs you don't need. Daz has outdone themselves with this one. Tom
“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”
Rhiannon posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 9:50 AM
Ahhhh, so that's why they did the morphs this way ... thanks for the clarification Tom. Guess I'll just have to clean up my pose folder a bit ... it's needed it for a while anyway. Rhi
Hawkfyr posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 10:09 AM
Yeah,I like it this way. You can load"all face" or "all body"or "all chest"etc.as a quick way to load them all for a particular need. Try this. Go to The "all morphs" folder and select + all morphs. Then go take a nap or eat lunch while it loads them all. Then you'll see just why she was done this way...lol Tom
“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”
Crescent posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 10:28 AM
If you move the Pose folders for V3, you'll need to hack the Pose injection files to point to the new folder locations. (Guess what I get to do tonight!) Yawn (Guess who stayed up way past bedtime last night and guess whose fault that was!)
Rhiannon posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 10:29 AM
LOL! That just about sums it up Tom ... I tried that one last night. :-) It took about five minutes at least on my system. If someone did happen to want to load them all and keep her that way, after you load 'em all you can just make it your default state and when Poser opens, V3 with all her morphs will be there ... haven't tested how long it might take to open this way, I only tested it with a few morphs. This would't eliminate the files in the Poser folder though, which is my beef. I've never really minded all the dials, it's all the scrolling in my Pose folder that irritates me the most (I've got LOTS of mat pose files), but if she is easier to work with this way, then I think I can get used to it.
LadyJaiven posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 11:21 AM
XET_Stormy posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 11:51 AM
Well, the site's down for me, at the moment, but I guess that just gives me (and my husband's credit card) a bit of time to breath and ask for a reassurance. V3 is for Poser4 or Poser Pro, right? Not Poser 5 specifically like Judy is? Please, please, please someone say Poser4/Pro. Stormy
LadyJaiven posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 11:54 AM
Its for Poser period ;)
XET_Stormy posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 11:55 AM
Well, the site's down for me, at the moment, but I guess that just gives me (and my husband's credit card) a bit of time to breath and ask for a reassurance. V3 is for Poser4 or Poser Pro, right? Not Poser 5 specifically like Judy is? Please, please, please someone say Poser4/Pro. Stormy
LadyJaiven posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:00 PM
Thats weird LOL
Rhiannon posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:03 PM
Jai, is your image Victoria 3, or V3 with V2 comp?? Just wondered about the mat ... is it one of the high rez? Dang, I wish I was at home so I could play!!!! :-)
Kinouk posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:04 PM
While the site is down..guess I clean out my pose file. If understood right V3 uses 21 folder? I have a couple of textures that I want to use on V3 (Elowen by Blackhearted, Rio) will these be able to be remapped, I don't have a clue on how to do this ;(. Hugz
LadyJaiven posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:04 PM
That is pure V3 and the high res maps and her face is the fashion model maps :)
LadyJaiven posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:05 PM
Joan, you can just use the V3 to V2 model thats included for the V2 textures :) I did that to experiment this morning :)
Rhiannon posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:08 PM
I hope that some of the merchants revised their maps to use with V3 and offer them for previous customers ... is that asking too much? There are some that are my absolute favorites and I love using them ... of course, I know I can continue to do so, but it would be nice to have them for V3 as well. Can't be too awfully difficult, right?? :-)
LadyJaiven posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:10 PM
Rhi, I'd love that too :D I'm gonna see if Keith and I can do that w/our pak :)
dialyn posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:13 PM
When you use the V3-V2 model, does the V3 texture then apply to both the head and the body, or do you use the V2 texture and it applies to both? I'm still confused how this works.
Rhiannon posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:25 PM
From what little I played with her last night, when you use the V3-V2 model, the V3 textures do not work at all, nor do the V2 morphs.
Kinouk posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:31 PM
Thanks Jai :0. I have a feeling that a lot of the merchants will upgrade their textures to work with V3 (maybe for a small upgrade price).
XET_Stormy posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:41 PM
Thank Lady Jaiven. Now, to wait patiently(??) for the site to come back up. There's some maxing on the SO's card to be gotten! Stormy PS: I hope this post doesn't dupe again... I only submitted once last time. ;)
XET_Stormy posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:46 PM
Thank Lady Jaiven. Now, to wait patiently(??) for the site to come back up. There's some maxing on the SO's card to be gotten! Stormy PS: I hope this post doesn't dupe again... I only submitted once last time. ;)
LadyJaiven posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 12:47 PM
LOL it duped!
XET_Stormy posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 1:00 PM
Thank Lady Jaiven. Now, to wait patiently(??) for the site to come back up. There's some maxing on the SO's card to be gotten! Stormy PS: I hope this post doesn't dupe again... I only submitted once last time. ;)
LadyJaiven posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 1:03 PM
Omgosh RO is haunted..
dialyn posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 1:05 PM
Haunted by Stormy!! Wonder if she can do that with pay checks?
Kinouk posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 1:11 PM
Sites up..but slow ;( Hugz
XET_Stormy posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 1:36 PM
Thank Lady Jaiven. Now, to wait patiently(??) for the site to come back up. There's some maxing on the SO's card to be gotten! Stormy PS: I hope this post doesn't dupe again... I only submitted once last time. ;)
XET_Stormy posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 1:53 PM
Wow... I'm really no longer a lurker. ;) Downloading as I type. I am such a dead woman. I'm sure my husband will have a choice word or two for Daz. I, though, have nothing but praise! Stormy
Larry F posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 4:10 PM
I'm downloading her and associated stuff myself now, Stormy. My Christmas present from a wife who understands addiction - LOL! And I've been around here for years and have never been much more than a lurker! Think of it as guard duty .... or something! Like on the lookout for merchants who might need my money - Ha! Larry F
BambiSmiley posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 9:23 PM
What I understand is that: - V3-V2 is ok with V2 cloths and skin Mat (head and body) - There is much more possibility with the head dials - V3-V2 show the same joins problems as in V2 Shall I conclude that for non face close-up, V3 is not very usefull and I shall continue with V2 ? Thanks for your inputs Bambi Smiley wondering
dialyn posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 9:32 PM
Well, you can morph V3's body, but right now that leaves you mostly with a naked Vicky unless you have Poser 5 and can twitch existing clothing on to her or you can create your own clothes. It will be interesting to see what clothes come out that can adapt to V3's morphing abilities...that's the whole point of her but so far, clothing have generally been one side to fit all one too perfect figure with not much flexibility for creating diversity in body shapes.
herr67 posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 9:35 PM
Now we need V3 clothing or all we can render is nekkid Vicky in a temple with a sword.
Crescent posted Fri, 20 December 2002 at 10:34 PM
Gee, that'll be a big disappointment for some. ;-}~ (Too much sugar. Way too much sugar!)
Cin- posted Sat, 21 December 2002 at 10:59 AM
I had to make one comment since I got mentioned... lol Quoth the Jaiven: "Rhi, I'd love that too :D I'm gonna see if Keith and I can do that w/our pak :) " V3's mapping is very weird looking at first glance... I haven't really thought about porting over old textures to her yet... I'm sure it can be done, but it will involve a fair amount of work. It's more likely that I'd start a whole new texture aiming for the same type of look for a V3 texture than try to make an old one fit V3. Of course someone like AprilYSH may just remap V3 to take V2 textures. :)
herr67 posted Sat, 21 December 2002 at 12:45 PM
Of course someone like AprilYSH may just remap V3 to take V2 textures. :) Done that, and it works great. Had to play with the eyes though (new things called Riris anf Liris). Loaded BlMilWom_v3.obj into uvmapper, loaded BlMilWom_v3UVs.uvs, then saved the .obj with a different name. Then edited the .cr2 to load the new .obj.