$197.57....hmmmm, I was assuming she comes with DAZ's new program.....wouldn't it save alot of money to wait and buy the program?

Is that allowing for the $10 you save if you buy the Head Morphs, the Body Morphs, and the Base Figure all at the exact same time?

If you take off the $10 and if you just get the base upgrade it still is $155.61....but if she comes with DAZ Studio, then I'd rather put the $150 towards the program....:>0

She is not coming with the program. That amount is too high. Sh'es not that much even with hair and makeup maps. Someone has been spinning you a yarn.

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i bought base v3, face morphs, body morphs, two texture packs, one face pack, and it costs me $57,28. so if you by platinum membership, you'd still be better off. can't beat that deal...

Thanks Pheonix....I'll go ahead and buy her!

Base, face morph, bodymorph, texture, highlight/conture, fashion model face, should run me about $77.01. Good deal! (I'm in the platlnium club).

Have to agree with Philywebrider...great deal! Platinum Club rocks!!! Cheers, Phil

List price-intro discount 25%-$10.00-30% is a nice savings. :o)

Word of Warning... I thought i'd buy vicki 3 sense i had a tiny bit of cash. So, I bought the vicki 3 base and high texture contour pack. Turns out it was a waste of my money. Vicki 3 Base pack comes with Jack for morphs, You can not copy any of the Victoria 2 Morphs over to the Vicki 3 Model because she is spliced up differently. Personally i find myself discusted, I was figuring it would at least come with some 'Base Morphs' like the first victoria when it was release Way back when but Nope. All you get is a 'Spandex' morph for the body, and facial morphs. You get absolutely No morphs for minipulating the body Form other the 'Spandex'. If your planning on Buying Vicki 3, while her jointing and the higher mesh do make her a bit more flexable - You better Grab The Morph packs for the Face and Body or you'll be sitting in a cold dark room with nothing to work with. This is by far The Worst release i've seen from daz. If you can't afford the Packs here's my suggestion - Go grab there UV Maps, Map Vicki 2 to the Vicki 3 Templates and just use the new texture maps, Least then you'll have SOME morphs to work with without empting your bank account at the same time.

Hang on guys - you are talking $US here - not all of us live in the good old USA.... Base upgrade for me in Australia is $46 - pretty expensive little toy for a hobby .............add onto that all the accessories..... Considering the original Poser program only cost me $AUD 400 plus upgtrades to P4, Pro Pak and P5 ........... $US77.00 = about $AUD140.00 - one model ????????? Bit like the original cost of Victoria .... steep!

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yep us dollars... And not even as Flexable as the Vicki 1 Model when it comes to shaping the body... go figure... scam job?

I have to agree with you Caleb -be interesting to see how she really stacks up against Judy .... Do i detect some competion here?

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Well if this is any sign of what the DAZ Studio is going to be like, Expect to be disapointed. tell ya that much.

Ah well - guess it all comes back to the the way the Poser Community has become lately - cash based..... Looks like there will be a lot more traffic on P2P, sorry to say..........

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Wasn't V2 around $69.00 (textures seperate) when she first came out? The V3 figure (upgrade), plus 2/morph paks, (textures seperate), with $10.00 off is around $45.00 ($31.50 if a Platinum Club member). A better figure, plus morphs at a cheaper price than V2. Almost the price of some V2 textures.

And no where near the morphs that come in Victoria 1

I can't believe you guys aren't happy with her... she is incredible. I've only played a little so far but I think the DAZ team has done an AMAZING job on her. And I am not one to give that kind of a compliment easily!

Cale68 but the price for V3 WITH the morphs is cheaper than V2 when she came out.

And V3 is absolutely superior compared to V2... so I can't believe people are bitching about the price?!? I paid less than $40 for the base upgrade, both morph sets and two texture sets - and you think that's EXPENSIVE?

from what I heard on the Poser newsgroup, she's a major-league RAM hog, so I'll probably wait until I get around to upgrading my computer before I even consider getting V3...

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V3 ROCKS!!!! DAZ did an excellent job on her. There was a LOT of time put into her & if you'd of purchased the Plat.Club, (I did) you could get EVERYTHING for V3 at $57.28. That's not bad at all, especialy considering the amount of time they put into her!!

But, you can't please all of the ppl all of the time, only some of the ppl some of the time!! There's ALWAYS going to be bitchers because they have nothing better in life to do.

Just my .02 cents!!

hrm... i got the vicki 2 upgrade for ... what was that... 39.95?... Vicki 3, no textures Eats up 30 megs of ram.

V3 is less than V2 was, period. I got the V3 upgrade (and they'll let you upgrade from V1, although I have V2), all the morphs, the universal high-res texture, the make-up textures, and Anton's (assuming it's Anton's) new bombshell hair for 57 bucks. The Platinum Club membership helps. Competition? Judy? V3? Puh-leez. Inventing an association between V3 and Daz Studio? Are you guys CL thread plants, or just pessimists? Relax. It's all good here.

oh and keep in mind, alotta people did not join the plat club, and i doubt there gonna throw out 99.95 just to save 40 dollars.

working for CL? phaaashhhaaa i wish! lol...

I wouldn't consider her a RAM hog... it all depends on how many morphs you load on her. My computer is anything but super fast (PIII & 512mb RAM) and she works very well.

well ya eowyn, but think about this too, lotta the poser people still have 256 or less ram, that extra 256 makes alotta difference.

No, V3 is not a RAM hog! I have tested her on my P3 550MHz 256MBs RAM & she was great, on my P4 2.533GHz 3Gigz RAM she was great, my P3 850MHz 1Gig Ram she was great! All High Res Textures, ALL (Head & Body) Morphs.

You know you could have purchased the Platinum Club for fifty bucks a little while ago. DAZ was very forthcoming about the discounts it would provide on things like V3. Look, I bought Anton's Changing Ponytail and every associated item on DAZ's site half a year ago for quite a bit more than I just paid for V3 with morphs, a bunch of textures and some new conforming hair. Now all the Changing Ponytail stuff I have, combined, sells for six bucks in the Platinum club. I don't feel ripped off because I'm not going to complain about a company's overall prices coming down. And you can get a 256 megabyte stick for less than you paid for V2. If you can't afford that, I'd suggest running V3 in Poser 4 instead of Poser 5, that should save you a couple hundred megabytes of RAM and a significant amount of processing. And I'm not a CL or P5 basher. I'm just saying it like it is.

caleb68, Contact us tomorrow and And you can return her no problem. Sorry you are unhappy with your purchase. And yes she is cheaper than V2 was. Anton

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Just playing with her half an hour or so -- for my two cents' worth of opinion, she is one of the BEST things DAZ has ever released (also got the head/body morphs, worth every penny). Someone said in a preview post something like V3 compared to V2 was like the original Vicki compared to Posette -- and that, I think, is a gross understatement. Now please excuse me, I have to go wire my jaw up and find my socks -- I think they got blown into the next county :-)

Ram is not a issue for me, with amost a gig of ram vicki 3 better not be a issue. Why didn't i sign up to the club when daz had it at 50? um. cause some of us don't have money to throw around on things like that, me being one of them. Main Complaint about Vicki 3 - Its broke up into 4 packs for you to get what you need to make it workable. 1 or 2 Packs by themselves do Not make it workable. You have to buy 3 packs off the bat being a total of 53.88 for those without vicki 2, 43.88 for those with vicki 2 who can buy it before the 30th. And still even after buying that, it doesn't have the Full workability. You have to Manually add the morphs to the figure, which takes about forever to add them all (yes even using the ones that say 'add all morphs' for the part) By the time your done paying out for vicki 3, if you bought 1 of each your paying 132.43 (122.43 for those upgrading) if your not a member of the plat club. Rip Off? yeah i feel ripped off, here i forked out more then i payed for vicki 2 & her clothes pack already with the other stuff i just now bought and what do i have to show for it? a nakkid figure with little flexabiliy for body shaping. Yes the textures are nice, and I would of paid more for them, but, I do not feel the figure is worth the value even with it being on sale. What the heck happened? no offense daz but from the way that you've made things in the past i've come to expect improvements with each version up, the only real improvement i see here, no offense is, 1 new uv mapping, which your sites suppying for free on the v3 page, and 2 the joints are improved. I'd been working on some morph setups for vicki 2 for over a month now, I i bought vicki 3 expecting to see more then what I did, perhaps its just a expectation thing that i've come to see with Daz, but it doesn't seem better yet. PheonixRising - Before I say ya, please refund me, i'll delete her, are you going to be making Compatability morphs for her any time real soon so that she works in co-oop to vicki 2's morph settings? If not, who do i email?

I just bought the 'body' morph pack to add to it, its got the morphs now however... Vicki 2 MOR Poses still don't work with the body. (MOR as is Pose file containing morph settings) Without the morph compatability, I can see over 300 dollars (possibly more with stuff not currently in my poser dir) in purchases going down the drain already that was bought for vicki 2 that mainly delt with characters.

Caleb68, In all everything included for the base product is clearly list on the product page including the price. I do believe you are dissapointed but I also think you are going a bit overboard. It sounds to me you have been working really hard on your V2 and are upset more about not being able to tranfer all your work. I am sorry but people were expecting something new. There is no need to get so upset. Just call 1-800-267-5170 and they will direct you to who you need to speak to. Just that simple. Again sorry she isn't what you wanted. Anton

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We posted same time. Caleb68, New figures require new poses, clothes and such. Is is part of the way it works when things change and improve. You can still finish your work on your V2 figure. To make her what you want she would be crippled and just V2 all over again. And there would be no point in that. Sleep on it and you may feel different about it.

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cross post, sorry bout that. Not really upset as much as erm... frustrated? If it was ment to be something new, no offense, shouldn't it of been named something different then 'victoria 3'? cause, with the lack of compatability between the previous victorias and this one, it doesn't make much sense on normal reasoning... when you labeled it as Victoria 3 and i saw it at your site today (no didn't read about it in the forums first) I was under the impression, even from the rightups, that its a 'upgrade' of vicki 2, not something totally new to where there is no compatability between the two. Guess ya missed my question bout before i go the refund route, will there be a set of compatability morphs / morph injectors built to make it compatable with vicki 2 morph settings any time in the near future? Its not only frustrating because of what i've been working on but because of all the stuff i've bought in the past for Victoria.

(rounding up) Base V3 standalone+ $32. Head Morphs+ $16. Body morphs+ $16. Total for a bundle vaguely equivelent to V2 standalone= $64 Keep in mind that with the morphs and the major overhaul, this is a completely new, and seriously advanced model. Now, take off the $10 discount for purchasing all three DLs as a bundle: $54. That's LESS than V2 standalone, plus; the base model comes with an additional backwards compatable model, that will take V1 & V2 textures/clothes. $54 is not an unreasonable price for this package. Which also happens to come to $52 euros, or $34BP, or $96AUD If you cannot justify spending the money for a hobby, then you can't. That doesn't mean that the price is too high, it just means that your budgeting priorities are different, or won't allow for it. And yes, if you do not do a lot of shopping at DAZ, then the Platinum Club may not be such a bargain for you. For those of us that do shop there often, it is an excellent value. We are not paying $99 just to pay $2 for a mouse, or save $40 on the latest model. The club has a lot more to offer than that, and allows many of us who could not afford to purchase more for much much less.

I don't know about anyone else - but add up all you have spent on both Poser and stuff from Daz as well as Renderosity and numerous other merchants(and again - no offence to Daz - they are a business after all) - but I think in total what I have spent on Poser and figures I could have bought myself a copy of Maya. Looks like this will be one expensive hobby I will have to bypass in future ...........

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lol tastiger, i've spent over 9k on poser stuff already (EEK!) hear ya there. PheonixRising hrm... maybe were miscommunicating on what i mean by compatability morph... ok... with the v3 body morph settings, some, not all, that do the same thing on vicki 2 on vicki 3 are named differenty just slightly, like pPregnant, pNaveRaise, etc. Just making it so that morph settings between the two are compatable gives the individuals a chance to put there characters for Vicki 2 onto the vicki 3 body and the 'fine tune them' so that it does look better. you named some of them the same, why not all of them instead of the minor funky naming? Can't see how this would effect a Character if truely new, from being new. This would be less time consuming for your customers, and They would most likely thank you for it in the future. Magnets are easy enough to transfer, if there even going to really be needed, some of the shaping on vicki 3 is better. But the big thing is going to be morphs, Shrugs who knows... maybe im just too L i donno This Does raise another couple questions though :/ clothes? when? how much more?

I've spent about $1,000 at the Renderosity MarketPlace during the past 18 months. I don't know how much at Daz but plenty there as well. I am FAR from rich but I also know that practically EVERYTHING costs and this just happens to be a hobby I really like. If you don't want to spend money on Poser, it's indeed a question of your priorities and not necessarily the price of the Poser items. And we were told all along that V3 wouldn't be compatible with V2 clothes and textures so that's surely not a surprise.

is to those whom don't watch the forums like myself, i usually only come here when im trying to find a solution to a problem.

Caleb68, "will there be a set of compatability morphs / morph injectors built to make it compatable with vicki 2 morph settings any time in the near future?" Most of the morphs have the same names but due to injection the interal labels are likely different. No way around that. But aside from that her morphs are almost completely different. Similar effect but the shapes are improved. Old settings would likely just deform her. People make poses and morphs to account for deformation and avoid flaw. If the flaws have been reduced oor removed completely, those old poses will just deform her by accounting for things that don't exist anymore. I remember how much I hated switching from Posette to Vicki but in the end I forgot why I ever cared. We kept the name Vicki because she is now an industry standard like "Photoshop" or "Mustang". she has a following and is like a brand name. V3 started as V2 so it makes sense to still call her Vicki. Tastiger, I am a serial hobbyist and have tried everything from Bonsai trees to paintball. Hobbies are never cheap and not for everyone. We did the best we could on pricing as we always do. There is plenty of default figures and freestuff to keep your Poser hobby going. You don't have to own V3 to enjoy Poser. Just remeber that she is only the price of a pair of good jeans. Anton

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Hi Well I think Vicky 3 looks great from what Ive seen and the price dosn't work out too bad. The problem I've got is the download will come to 67.61 MB for the parts I want and I'll never keep my dodgy dial up connection going for that.! Can't even see it lasting the 18 meg one. I've mentiond to DAZ that resumable downloads would be a good thing but I don't think they use them yet?

 

"I've spent about $1,000 at the Renderosity MarketPlace during the past 18 months. I don't know how much at Daz but plenty there as well. I am FAR from rich but I also know that practically EVERYTHING costs" Never was a truer word said - howeverin marketing there is a direct relationship between turnover and profit. I know I make more profit on turnover on cheaper items than I do by selling fewer expensive items. Even you overseas types must realize that Kmart and such like worked that out long ago............. I dunno maybe the US market is far more competitive given the current econic environment?

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I have just purchased it all and I have to say that the only thing that is overpriced in my opinion is the highlights-contour maps, which is basically the base map + some highlights that can be mimicked easily with a little photoshop work on the regular maps. As for the other things I have to say that I feel like STEALING to get a product so good for such a LOW price. Summing up the promotional discount and Platinum club discount, plus the Platinum price on the fashion maps (great work on those Anton), I could purchase the whole thing at a price that kind of makes me ashamed, if I think of all the work that's obviously behind V3! DAZ is a GREAT company that makes fantastic products... now if only DAZ could finally answer to my request for the Grecian updates... I am going to lose a job commission if they don't reply before the weekend! DAAZ please reply to my emails!!

Anton, I appreciate where you are coming from and I will gladly exchange my good pair of jeans at $AUD30.00 for Vicki 3. As for the free stuff available - I will reserve judgement on that and not pass comment as Renderosity seems to have gone well beyond the days when I used to visit "Poser Fun Stuff"

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The Universal maps are for the Lightwave people who don't want any false effects in their maps. The Highlight/ Contour are for those who want the image effects of false glimmers and such. We assumed people would pick one of the map packs and not buy two. Michael who made the Grecian items is here as mallenlane.

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lol. I used to trade haircuts for alot of stuff...accounting. legal services, housecleaning, drycleaning. It was awesome. I just bought jeans and paid $70. But then again..flavored coffees here in Boston at Starbucks are over $3.

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...and that's $3 per cup of overpriced burnt coffee served by the surly slacker elite >^_~

Anton, Gee ... I think I will forget about Vicki 3 and just swap my crummy jeans for your $US70 pair..... :) I just cant imagine a pair of jeans that cost about $AUD130! But then again - we do pay about -90 cents per litre for petrol, so I guess what we lose on the merry go round we gain on the swings.......

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But the coffee is soooo goooood.....not burnt...it's roated. :)

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Bleah! To each their own I guess. My fave coffee comes from the Twin Donut shop in Union Sq. Hazelnut flavorshot, one sugar, extra cream, served by pretty, smiling, and friendly vietnamese girls for $1.35 >^_~

and how much is coffee? :::ducking:::

Anton--you're in Boston? I live in P'town at the moment--if you're ever out this way, shoot me an email and I'll buy you a martini.

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Anton, what time EST does the sales division get in? I'm missing an item on my DL page and I'm curious about how long it might be till that gets fixed.

Momcat - count two hours back from EST and you get DAZ time. It is, as I type this here in Utah, 7:20am Mountain Std. time (I usually give first lecture @ 8am sharp), and DAZ should be up and at it by 9am MST/11am EST. You'll probably want to talk to Reba West when you call, and it can prolly get fixed within minutes of her knowing about it. HTH a little, /P

I also have the same problem missing the new conforming hair for V3 that I ordered at the same time as V3 and all the morphs and texture maps.

Yup, that's what is missing from mine as well. Oh well; I'm sure they'll fix it soon enough.

Caleb by reading the description one can tell that there are no basic morphs included, because none are listed for the base mesh. tastiger - one generally gets what they pay for, DAZ models have always been well priced (been to turbo squid lately?) and she is cheaper than V2 - doesn't make buying her any easier of course, but then again you don't have to, you can keep V2 or Posette or that scarey Judy. But come on 3D isn't a cheap "hobby", never has been never will be, in fact it is more likely to get more and more expensive the more involved a person gets into the hobby.So if you have a problem with paying more for models maybe it's toime for a new "hobby". Should've gotten the Platinum Club when it was on sale - DAZ was very open and the Platinum club gives a discount on all DAZ created products soit was obvious that would mean V3 and her stuff. If you chose not to - that's your own issue. When on sale it was a great bargain, I bought over $230.00 worth of products the first week and spent only $36.24 total, include the $50.00 for the Platinum Club and I still spent less than $100.00 for the products I bought my first week. Of course for me Poser isn't technically a "hobby" and all my purchases are tax write-offs anyhow. Of course I've bought plenty since and I knew that V3 wouod be discounted for me. As for competiting with Judy - I think it's the other way around lol Judy was meant to compete with Vicky 2.0 and from what I've heard she doesn't do that very well. As for V2 compatibility with morphs - DAZ has stateed over and over again that V3 would not be compatible to V2 morphs so why the sudden frustration and surprise?

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Haven't had a chance to download my purchases yet but I for one am pretty content with the price. Take a trip over to Turbosquid for an eye-opener as to what pretty basic non-poseable models will cost you. I know _ I sell some stuff over there which quite frankly with TS pricing policy is downright embarrassing. Ok, it and many other companies cater for the 'professional' market. But from what I see V3 is a 'professional' level model, I think we get a little spoilt here with the low prices and generous free stuff. Us hobbyists probably don't 'need' a V3 but then we didn't need V1_ what was wrong with the old P3 nude_you could just about tell she was female? Progress costs

Reallity check. Most of us are getting the upgrade version of the base. To me this corresponds to the old V1 since most morphs aren't included. Getting the head and body morph upgrades make V3 more in line with the options of V2. If you have the Platinum Club, the discounts get pretty heavy between the 30% off and the introduction pricing. I was able to get V3 with all morphs and High Res maps for $44.19 (US). For a model of this level with texture maps, that isn't too bad at all. I don't bother with the other textures, it's easier to convert the high res ones in a paint program and save them as a lower res. The only grip I have is that the install assumed I have P4 installed and not P5, so I have to convert the damn bump maps. Victoria 3.0 Base Upgrade $29.95 $6.77 $29.95 Victoria 3.0 Head Morph Pak $19.95 $11.17 $19.95 Victoria 3.0 Body Morph Pak $19.95 $11.17 $19.95 Victoria 3.0 Universal Texture Maps (High Res) $24.95 $13.09 $24.95 Fashion Model Face Maps for V3 $19.95 $1.99 $19.95 Discounts: $-28.46 $-4.37 $-4.19 $-2.79 $-10.00 Grand total: $44.19

geesh look at all my typos!! I wish there was an edit button for those of us who type before coffee.

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Damn, what a culture!!! They complain and complain and complain and complain and complain... RELAX! Budget for her and get her when you can. Cheers, Q

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The way I see it, Vicki isn't the only thing that's been upgraded. Poser itself has just been improved, finally. And I think it's a pretty inexpensive upgrade. I know people with hobbies such as golf, fishing, and boating. They ALL spend more per year on their hobbies than I spend on mine (3d graphics).

Some people are never satisfied. Did you hear about the man sitting in a bar complaining, when asked what he was complaining about he said; Two weeks ago I won 2 million dollar's last week I won one million dollars This week ...nothing.

quixote ......amen on the last comment.

Not so long ago you would have had to pay a couple of thousand dollars for a model like Vickie 3. Those were reserved for the professionnal animation houses back then with the $50,000 workstations. We have been pretty spoiled with the advent of the Vickie line. Try and model one of those and you will see how cheap she is.

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Yep, Dominique, I was just going to point out try finding something like V3 from other companies that supply 3d models and look at their costs. Heck, they charge $100 for non posable 3d cartoony type critters! So even at $100 V3 is way more for your money than most 3d models out there. Daz did an excellent job as per their reputation. I feel lucky we have a Daz that cheaply feeds our hobby needs/wants.

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I dont see what the complaining is about. V3 utilizes new features, is more versatile.. is DISCOUNTED... even if you AREN'T in the PC. Some people just complain to be complaining it seems sometimes. You get V3 and all her stuff for LESS than V2 and you're complaining ?! Oh gosh, please. Look at how streamlined her joints are... does V2 even have those capabilities ? Heck, I would be at Daz getting her b4 the discounts off and not wasting my time complaining. Gosh.. ugh

None of Vicky2 clothes fit her? Can the Tailor fix this?

She's jointed differently. The Tailor is about moving the morphs from a figure to already-compatible clothing, not recutting meshes to match different figures' joint setups. My guess is that the excellent fellows who recut V base clothing for P4F and vice versa in freestuff might reprise their roles and recut the V CloPak for V3's joints while retaining the same UVmapping for texture compatibility.

I really like the looks of V3, but I already have 3000+ in vicky 2 clothing and textures. I'd hate to have to replace ALL of that. I don't have a problem with the cost of V3. She is very reasonably priced, but dressing her seems like its going to be problematic

Bet most of the clothes will be PC available (except a clothing pack if they release that)

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I'm really digging this model. Thoroughly impressed. She bends well, the morphs are excellent. Hisminky, I know how you feel. I'm looking into recutting and adjusting joints to some of my vickie clothing. However, she comes subdivided on the texture level, so its a snap to give her a bodysuit, stockings or gloves look.

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Hisminky, I know how you feel. I'm looking into recutting and adjusting joints to some of my vickie clothing. However, she comes subdivided on the texture level, so its a snap to give her a bodysuit, stockings or gloves look<< sure, but that doesn't solve my compulsive model buying problem. If I don't have V3, then I won't be tempted, yanno? Don't get me wrong, I WANT V3, but I simply don't have the funds I used to have.

It would be a nice community project if we all helped each other redo the old clothes :)

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Ya Joseph. That would be great. I'd be willing to help. Hey! man, happy holidays.

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Happy holidays to you too, Q and everyone else in Poserland! I think that Anton's reply "I remember how much I hated switching from Posette to Vicki but in the end I forgot why I ever cared." hits it right on the head. There's going to be some adjusting to do with this character. A lot of things to explore and see "how they did it" in order to work up old clothes/poses/new textures. This community has a knack for finding the workarounds and fixes. And I know how some people feel about their current projects not working 100% with the new character. At 3-D Arena, like most character/clothing makers, we've been doing stuff for V1/V2/Steph. It's difficult to see the playing field change a bit. However, I think DAZ has made a valiant attempt to make V3 backwards compatible. There's a V3 to V2 version included and V3 to V2 UVs available as a free download. We are all still a community (an emotionally charged one, but still). There's no reason at all why the character can't work for us the way we want it too. Look at all the effort and sharing that came from the Platinum Club mouse - I'm not a big fan of the mouse - but the comaraderie it created was warming. :)

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Has anybody tried using Serge Marck's Poser 5 tutorial for changing clothing to fit other characters with Victoria 3? You can use this method to shrink adult clothing to the kids, etc.

hrm .. apparently i misread part of it over at daz. I wonder if daz will make it so Vicki 2 can use the Vicki 3 Templates... I just took a look at the templates.. she looks like someone skinned her and stuck her on a drying rack, ok who's the canabal working at daz? lol ;) j/k. So... in this case... Any chance of Getting a V2 to V3 Template setup?

Hrm...who says you have to stop using V2...some of the complaints say "but I sunk this much into v2, or i'm doing stuff with v2..etc" My question is why stop? V2 and V3 are different..so? treat them as different then...I have that method pigfish mentioned on my site as well, I have to try it with her tonight(assuming I have time), don'tcha love universal gift certificates, I usually get mine in time for yule.

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Yeah, Yeah. All well and good. BUT will the housemouse clothes fit her?

hrm... more compatability? even a 'little' compatability would be nicer ;) They did a p4 mapped version of vicki, so what would be the problem doing a v2 mapped version of v3? can't see any harm in that. And no offense again... people seem to think im upset when im just flustered, but, when will the basic clothes be out for her? i mean, aren't there enough naked vick's running around already?

caleb68 - there is a V3 figures that takes V2 maps. Look for "Vicki 3 to Vicki 2." It works nicely.

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oops musta said that wrong... not v3 to v2 maps v2 to v3 maps is what i ment.

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 well looks like you poser 5 people will be happy with Vicki 3, thats for sure. Here's a render done using Poser 5 and ElectricAardvarks & my's Practical Clothing for Vicki and Steph done by dialyn Vicki 3 seems to work good in poser 5 with dynamic clothing.

"caleb68, Contact us tomorrow and And you can return her no problem. Sorry you are unhappy with your purchase. And yes she is cheaper than V2 was. Anton" I don't really think you've done the math, Anton... no, V3 is NOT cheaper... the Full non-sale versions of both V1 and V2 were $60 each which included all the morphs) In order to get V3 with the morphs, she'll apparently cost $79.95... that's $20 MORE!!!!! (oops, "$69.95 if you by them at the same time" thumbs up) I've got her without the morphs right now, and won't be able to get them until next month because I can only afford so much money each month for this... So, for the next month, I'm sitting here with an effectively USELESS model... No, I'm not happy with DAZ3D at the moment, in case you hadn't noticed... And stop saying that V3 (or at least say "the stripped down/no morphs version") is cheaper than the previous versions, that's false advertising.

Anton, Your comment about switching from P4 to Vicki isn't quite the same. I've invested thousands of dollars into clothing V1 and V2. I simply cannot continue to invest in clothing and such any longer. If I do purchase V3,(or by some miracle one of my family takes pity on this Poser addict) I will not have the funds to USE her as I cannot afford to buy a wardrobe for her. My income has been drastically reduced. But lets paint a different picture here. Lets say I buy Vicki 3 and I clothe her adequately. Next year there will be a new industry standard in Vicky and yet another set of clothes to buy. What then have I spent?

Hisminky, Don't be surprised if some of your V2 clothes are provided with free or very inexpensive V3 upgrades over the next couple months. Clothing models can be re-cut and re-jointed and I would think that many of the clothing makers do not wish to develop slow sales as a result of V3 being released. I suspect some of them will adapt, rather than starting over with completely new models that don't work on V2 and only work on V3. Philodox, I have to assume you didn't take advantage of the Platinum Club when it cost half what it currently does. Now you are saying you aren't going to take advantage of the initial release price on V3 products. If you can't afford to spend another dime, I understand. But, waiting is costing you a lot more in the long run.

Migal, Yes, I did join the platinum club. I never said I wasn't going to purchase V3. You are mistaking my hesitation for the moment. It would be fabulous if some of the clothes I've already bought were reworked for V3. I will most likely get V3 as a gift from my S.O., he has already made noises about such(I won't know until christmas eve. And quite likely the project I am working on will have to include V3. In that respect I am dancing on the side of luck as my client will most likely foot the bill on models required for HIS stuff. My concern is(and so it should be for any merchant) is when does this hit market saturation? We've already seen a slump in sales for P5. How many more people are going to be able to afford MORE models and MORE clothes again and again as each new version of Vicky is released? Already my HD has over 10 gigs of models. Think on that for a moment. Next year (should my money tree bloom, I water it faithfully every day) Will my HD contain 20 gigs? 30 gigs? When do we say enough? I fully believe we will see a 12 step program for kicking the poser habit soon.

Actually, I've got both Platinum Club and V3... Unfortunately, I assumed they'd at least have the a set similar to the Vicki 1 morphs, so I got the Universal texture set instead, thus blowing this months budget ($30) on something I see as useless for next month when I can get the morphs...

hisminsky: "How many more people are going to be able to afford MORE models and MORE clothes again and again as each new version of Vicky is released?" ever less. as long as there's isn't a new clothing/conforming system that works independently of model/cloth type. maybe i'm projecting my hopes herein but i believe that i read between anton's lines something about that in their new software. AND DON'T ASK FOR LINK!!!! ;)

Basic V3, When rendered I get this coarse sandpaper look on the face. Anyone have an idea why?

Phillywebrider .. It looks like the antialias isn't on.It mostly looks like that to me but might be the PP version of the texture but that normally looks like coal in P4.

GhostofMacbeth The antialias wasn't on, thanks for helping a dummy.

Hisminky, My Platinum Club comment was intended for Philodox. Sorry for the confusion. As far as being a merchant and market saturation, I hope it won't happen. It is becoming more competitive, no doubt. But, new people discover Poser daily and all the products are new as far as they are concerned. I bought my daughter Poser for Xmas, so there's one new customer, at least. :-)