Could someone please remind me what version 4.01 is.
Is it an un-updated version 4? I've lost track :)

Many thanks

wasn't 4.01 the metacreations version ?

Poser 4.0.1 only ever existed in localized versions. The initial US Poser was 4.0 but - despite many bugs - they didn't release a quick bugfix, but rushed to do the foreign versions first. About 3-4 months later they released a pretty stable 4.0.1 in Germany (and probably France) and then they quit business... :-( Around christmas time Larry Weinberg at Ghost Effects picked up the source code and started to release the legendary "unofficial patches", where version counting started with 4.0.2b-something. When it was finally finished, I think it was only the US version that got final, but then they released a final 4.0.3 in both English and localized languages (but the only difference to the final 4.0.2 seems to be the network serial check and the new CL logo). Version 4.0.1 is technically (and "bug-nically") close to the final 4.0.2/3.

I thought that Poser 4 was updated/patched 9 times?

Sure - Larry Weinberg's "unofficial" patches went 4.0.2b113, 4.0.2b114,... etc. etc.

Thanks folks.

I use Poser 4.01 and is from Metacreations

Stupidity also evolves!

Sure - Larry Weinberg's "unofficial" patches went > 4.0.2b113, 4.0.2b114,... etc. etc. Uuuhhh! Now you tell us! For us newbies who weren't around in early P4 days, this seems like ominous forboding of what was to happen (is happening) with Poser 5... And you say Poser 4.0.2bxxx was never followed up by further fixes - even when though a new CuriousLabs labelled version had to be released later (with no fixes)... I sure hope the implication isn't that "Slow Poser" (v5.02 .268) isn't "it" for P5! If so, I for one want my money back. (And yes the version # does have a space in it! Really makes you wonder about what "Acceptable Quality" standards are employed at CL does it not?)

Poser 4.03 is the final patch and you can get it at the CL site.

You don't have to go as far as P5 - ProPack (a.k.a. Poser 4.2.x) was virtually abandoned after 3 patches at a state where (at least the Mac version) still suffered from bugs making it almost unusable.

a while back I ratted through my CDs & found the following patches for P4... 4.02_111 (released 12/24/99) 4.02_115 4.02_115b 4.02.116 4.02_116a 4.02_117 4.02_118 4.02.118b At one point, Larry Weinburg was releasing them pretty quickly on his ghosteffects.com site. So the missing numbers are probably patches I just skipped over

Weinberg, actually...

The man is a mountain, not a castle... <-- obscure German joke

:-) :-) :-)

Martin, I use ProPack on my G4, and it does just fine. :) And your joke isn't obscure. He really is a mountain, and we owe a lot to his skill, patience, and intense desire to keep Poser alive and available. I, for one, am truly grateful for his efforts. Carolly

I perfectly agree - I remember both the MetaC and Ghost Effects era, they both listened to people trying to support them (instead of bashing them) and they did fix and improve things whenever we reported them. When I just first released Macinstaller it was Larry Weinberg in person who did some last minute modifications to the 4.0.2b series in order allow my tool to do some extra tricks - and (as a Poser user) I will remain grateful for this till the end of times. As far as ProPack on Mac goes - Python crashes (unless you apply a very tricky workaround that was actually discovered by P.C. Bos - who is an artist) and even then it still refuses to execute basic commands. It totally fails to import most morph targets that perfectly work with both the Mac P4 and the PC ProPack. Need some more? The list of complaints that I get every month (despite the fact that I'm not CL's user support - but they don't get any useful reply from there, so they try me :-) is endless. I'd call this "almost useless"...

"Around christmas time Larry Weinberg at Ghost Effects picked up the source code and started to release the legendary "unofficial patches"," Well, he didn't pick up the source code. It was his to begin with. Poser is his baby from start to finish...just worked under different umbrellas like Fractal Design and Metacreations.

Yeah, I know that (of course)... I meant that he picked it up after it was left in the wilderness when MetaC went down. The original developers working on 4.0 > 4.0.1 lost their job at that time, so the work on the recent bugfixes were interrupted (I was beta testing the German P4 at that time). The German customers were still lucky because 4.0.1 solved a lot of the most urgent problems, but the US users were quite panicking. I remember that someone was given an earlier US built a couple of weeks after the release, and there were discussions about the legal situation with releasing it. Very unfortunately they made massive edits in the code itself for the localization, so there was no simple way to turn the German 4.0.1 into the US version. It was one of the best-ever christmas presents when Larry suddenly released the latest bugfix builts through his old Ghost Effects company. If you're interested - they still run the old company site with lots of Poser examples (some dating back to pre-Poser1 days): http://www.ghosteffects.com/

heyas; okay, explain to me why i put on the 4.02 patch and my cr2's all say they are version 4.01?? i thought the 118 beta was BEFORE 4.02. or maybe my mind is going....

Blood- Are we talking the actual Poser version or the version put into the CR2, because dey don't match. If I recall, all pre-propack versions of Poser write version 4.01 in the Cr2. At least all my figure cr2s are that version, whether I used the various 4.02 betas or 4.03. Regards- Lemurtek

They only change the ".cr2" version when the format (or the way how Poser accesses it) actually changes, and that was in the German/French 4.0.1 for the last time. I remember this clearly, because the final debugging phase of Macinstaller was a nightmare. I worked with the German versions at that time (first some 4.0.1 betas then the 4.0.1 final), but my own beta testers were running the US 4.0. At one point we got really big problems where Macinstaller completely failed to retreive information from the Poser application. It was only then when I realized how far the edits of the 4.0.1 versions went. Consequently a considerable amount of Macinstaller code only dealt with compatibilty issues between 4.0 vs. 4.0.1. Afterwards, hardly any problems with 4.0.2.x and 4.0.3 occured, so I assume that they only have minor edits to 4.0.1 (and the ".cr2" version numbering sticked to 4.0.1). The 118 beta indeed was before 4.0.2 - that's an oddity in the "common school of version numbering arts"... people would expect a version number jump when the thing goes final, instead it just gets rid of the "b" - so the development cycle goes 1.2.3d1, 1.2.3d2,... 1.2.3a1, 1.2.3a2,... 1.2.3b1, 1.2.3b2,... 1.2.3b235,... and finally: 1.2.3

oh. so if the cr2 says 4.01, then that can be 118, 4.02 or 4.03.