For the record, I'll start by saying that I contacted the board mod first, and the response was less than satisfactory. Hence, posting here. On the Poser board, a review of P5 transformed into a discussion of warez and software piracy. It was hardly a hostile thread -- instead, remarkably enough for this place, it was almost decorous in its discussion style. Good points were being made... ... and suddenly it's locked off. Why? "Because we don't like to see that kind of discussion here." Nothing about moving it to OT or maybe someplace a little more appropriate, just lop it off at the knees and that's that. Would someone at admin kindly explain why we have yet another example of Rsity thinking we're incapable of talking amoung ourselves like real, honest to God adults?

You're free to discuss the subject in OT if you like, but that thread is done.

Thanks for the enlightening post, Jeff. Really appreciate your desire to help us understand the situation a little better. Really, I mean that. Honest. ::shaking head: THEN WHY NOT MOVE THE THREAD HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, DUFFLEBAG???

Should I take that as a personal attack? If so you've got an offical warning.

Take it however you wish, Jeff. But when you come down from that mountain, remember that you still haven't answered the question.

Aw, c'mon. No need to be childish! I can understand R'osity's desire to quash the thread - given its overtones of an illegal activity per US standards, but there is no reason to act like children on a playground during recess trying to discuss why it was locked. Since this is an International Community, people need to realize that there are no "universal laws" about anything online or with IP that are applicable to all nations of the world. Just say that the US considers "warez", regardless of the intent or reasons, illegal and since R'osity is in the US you cannot partake in that type of discussion. Otherwise, I would advise you both to either play nice or pick up your marbles and go home.

Cyber, for the record, I was playing nice till this dufflebag started pulling rank with "I'm the mod". Maybe he should consider getting his skillset brushed up a bit so he can deal with these difficult questions. And after the AOY fiasco, you'd think the mods around here would have learned to be a tad more responsive.

Official warning number two.

JeffH, If "dufflebag" was such a serious "personal attack", then all of the US Armed Forces would be spending more time in court than protecting the various parts of the world. Considering what others have said about myself and other members at times, "dufflebag" is a compliment! You need to seriously lighten up a bit there. Perhaps take a leisurely vacation or some time off to regain some of the humanity that appears to be lacking.

It's little things like this cordial exchange that make me so proud to be a member of Renderosity. The consideration, the tolerance, where would we be with them? Exactly! let the bad times roll!

Serious or not it's a TOS violation and a warning was given only to have it repeated.

...Said with all of the compassion and emotion of a script. Sometimes, you just have to loathe technology! BTW, for those not in the know, the term "dufflebag" - as used by US Armed Forces' Drill instructors - is reserved for people who are disheveled and/or disorganized; referring, of course, to the usual state of an unused, unfolded dufflebag (a bag to carry cloths/supplies in). Not necessarily a TOS violation observation, IMHO.

Although I don't advocate warez, I also found the discussion to be interesting and generally civil. If people here would like to continue the discussion without fear of censorship, you can do so at newsgroup alt.binaries.3d.poser, where there are no TOS. However, be aware that the regulars of that group are severely anti-warez, you you'll have to endure a bunch of the same metaphors that occurred in the original thread here. This is not to dis' Renderosity, only to suggest that the discussion can go somewhere where anything can be said. It's the only Poser forum I know of with such freedom.

The thread contained a warez situation not just a discussion.

We lock all threads of this kind and if there are contact addresses posted those replies are deleted as well.

I'll be posting an addendum to that thread sometime today concerning changes to the TOS.

-JH.

I'm sorry, but this thread has given me the best giggle I've had in days...A person can get banned from here for calling someone a DUFFLEBAG?? You are kidding, right? :::Walks away shaking her head; dufflebag?:::

lol this is why i very rarely post in any forums

It's the only Poser forum I know of with such freedom It isn't but I'm not allowed to post a link to a rival site that has a brokered store. But, you are welcome to talk openly and freely about things at 3-DArena. We don't have dufflebags (watch out for the carniverous cushions though) or people so stuck up on the big red button that you can't ask questions; and mostly, the people who do post there actually try to answer questions. Obviously warez distribution and requests are not tolerated but discussion is welcomed. Feel free to drop by and chat there. If in doubt, just hit the Bar, it's where all the best parties end up. :)

"Dufflebag"? LOL Jeff, you're getting silly. Silly-er. ;] Given Renderosity's stated policies and past enforcement of them, then locking the thread under the TOS was consistent. Probably should have happened at the first post, but allowing for time for a mod to see it, understandable that it took a bit. Two warnings and a ban over "dufflebag" though - now that's hilarious. Was it a personal attack? Or was it merely an objective appraisal based on observation of the situation? ;]

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Lordy. I would've said JeffH was more a plate of fried calamari than a duffelbag. But that's just me.

Attached Link: 3-D Arena

Ditto what Questor said. Keep in mind, there's a lot of opinionated people there with pretty strong and articulate views, so a controversial topic ***will*** get you a heated discussion on the merits of the topic, but on the topic itself. You won't get called a dufflebag for having an opinion. Or if you do, it'll probably be in jest. ;]

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I dunno Mosca - if you call a sailor a squid, some squids think it's an insult. There've been a lot of port town bars wrecked in those discussions. ;]p~

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Ok, ok--he's a wide-screen t.v. Yeesh. Can't say anything without offending SOMEbody.

The texture of this thread reminds me of a face sausage.

I missed it, was Atthisstage actually banned over that, I only saw the two warnings?? Duffelbag??? you have got to be kidding, it reminds me of when I was a kid and my grandmother convinced me that souflay was a dirty cuss word. You try to be six and say that 20 time fast. OH I thought I was so bad!!! :0 I think all invalved need a chill pill.

Mosca, WHo's a wide screen transvestite?? ;)

It looked like that other thread had some guy who was trying to justify warez and cracks, so it was a T.O.S. violation. The whole story was suspect, since when do these warez dudes write cracks for stuff they download? It's more believable that he downloaded a cracked version, and saying he's in some other country doesn't justify violating U.S. laws or Curious Labs copyright.

i alerted Jeff to the thread since he missed it. The TOS does state that warez subjects are dealt with.. now as for the possible banning of atthisstage i think this is very silly. Especially since Jeff has been called worse than a dufflebag.

U-- Ummm... No. I am not going there. You can't make me go there. Newp.

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Yahh! Go there, go there IB, (poking IB with a stick)

so does jeffs banning for such a stupid reason constitute a personal attack?

All right, damn--lemme think... Ok, he's a cute little fuzzy wuzzy bunny wabbit. I dare anybody to get offended by THAT!

The member has not been banned. What action was taken is private information.

Uh-oh... Run away! Run away!

"dufflebag" O.M.G... ROTFLMAO! Dude, things really need to lighten up 'round here. Was there an actual warez transaction going on? Hard to tell post-mortem... /P

"The member has not been banned." Better tell him that. He thinks he was. Not that it's any of my business, of course.

ROFL!!!! I REALLY love this place :D

The member has not been banned Bullshit, Jeff. It is too, and you know it as well as I, so don't try to tapdance when you ain't got the shoes, boy. Guess it's easy when you can write something like that with the knowledge that a banned member won't be able to respond -- unless, of course, he has a second account that he's been quite open about for a couple of years now. So let's try that again, huh? And this time, make it plausible...

I guess a screenshot would suffice as evidence. ;0) I have never been banned, but would like to know what to expect when the inevitable comes. :0)

I'll post one later tonight when I drop by a client's with a Mac with Internet access. This Internet PC has no paint program I can use to get one. But right now, as of 4:12MST, "atthisstage" is a banned account.

Questor, I appreciate the correction regarding freedom of speech in other Poser forums. The reason I adovcated a.b.3d.p is because there are absolutely no inherent rules there, which has its pros and cons. However, like every Poser forum I know of, the "regulars" there view warez requests and boasts as fodder for well-deserved flames. At least one regular there is a copyright lawyer for a very well known content provider. Still, if you want to discuss ethics and interpretations of such, you can do so in places like that without risking locked threads. By the way, in case you're reading this, Questor, a big THANK YOU for all the very cool and high quality free stuff you've provided! Peng, no. No transaction. Neither did he claim to download a cracked version. I'd explain more, but I suspect it might get this thread locked. Suffice to say that the ensuing discussion of "gray areas" of ethics was interesting. Probably best to just let it go away.

Uh-oh... BTW - I read the thread, and ther was no actual warez transaction at all going down, as was intimated (you could've at least deleted the account before making such a statement, eh?) I did notice the guy who started it claiming to have gotten a copy and cracking it, but if it's legal in Sweden (hell if I know), then there would be no basis for prosecution. OTOH, to be honest there is no real ethical justification for "testing" a cracked copy under any circumstance. If there's no legal demo, I just don't buy the thing. All that aside, I still think it's funnier than hell that someone got banned because they were offended at the word "dufflebag" as an insult. I mean, really Jeff: It's like being whacked on the shin by a 4-year-old girl wielding fluffy foam pillow, and remedying the situation by shooting her in the head with a .45 auto. To carry the similie further, perhaps you should've not pulled the trigger, 'cause you likely shot yourself in the foot this go 'round... ( heh - when it comes to similies, damn I'm good :) ) /P

err, "deleted the thread" sucks typing and grading a test paper all at once... I really gotta stop doign that. Fortunately, the student passed :) /P

lol Penguinusto...

I just want to know if the word "dufflebag" has been added to the please don't use this term in the forums list under penalty of tptb. Cant blame a plant for being curious.

Peng,

I am not personally offended by any name calling, but the TOS does not provide for enforcement based on wether someone is offended or not.

-JH.

JeffH > I'll be posting an addendum to that thread sometime today concerning changes to the TOS.

JeffH > I am not personally offended by any name calling, but the TOS does not provide for enforcement based on wether someone is offended or not.

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Well, if you change the TOS, you can make an effort to base the enforcement on wether someone is offended or not.

Careful Penguinisto, people have been banned here for careless mention of ordnance (or rather twilight zone interpretation of mention of ordnance). BTW, there is a difference between 'banned' and 'suspended'. Although the technical mechanism is the same (hence 'account banned' greet screens), the admin here consider 'banning' to be permanent. Most of the rest of us use the term for both banning and suspension. I suspect the atthisstage account has been suspended for a set period rather than outright banned (of course, circumventing a suspension is regarded by admin as a serious offense, so who knows now...). Here's what the greet screen looks like: It's a kind of 'rights of passage' thing. ;-)

So, if two people who know each other start "ribbing" one another in the open fora, then one, the other, or both could get banned for joking around? This just keeps getting better by the post!

Rendo screenshot > Please press Back, correct the errors, and try again. ROTFLMAO

It's happened before, Cyber. Mayhaps not banning, but weeks suspensions etc. PJF got his 2nd warning and a suspension for joking around with Micheleh and then pulling Spike's chain. ;] Mehndi for making a wisecrack that some of Renderosity's policies were like China's/the PRC's policy of making you pay for the bullet they execute you with. ;]

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TY, PJF. I fully expect to see it myself sometime in the future.

I can foresee the future when all members, (except a "chosen few"), will be banned for posting anything in the fora based off a retro-active TOS du jour. ;0)

Laughing... trying.. to ... type... Would asking "what dufflebag came up with that rule ?" be against tos?

Yes Cyberstretch, that's what got Entropic suspended first time around. Larking about with BlackHearted (I think that's who it was). I got suspended for ribbing a mod in good humour as part of an apology to her. I think atthisstage definitely has the award for the most obtuse ban so far though. shrug What they really mean is "you're pissing us off, so piss off". There doesn't need to be a TOS violation as such (they'll invent one if they feel the need). PoserPros banned (permanently) RonKnights just for pissing them off, so it isn't unique to here. Of course, it was RonKnights so nobody cared; not even enough to object to the principle - not even some of the people objecting here (except me, for a laugh) . Principles are a fickle comodity.

You should rephrase that to "what clothes hamper came up with that rule?"; unless all items that hold dirty laundry have been prohibited. ;0)

Priceless! Dufflebag? LMAO!

Ah! So that's what made it TOSable - a Dufflebag just lies around in the forums full of dirty socks, suntans, and undress greens. ;]

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Personally, I was thinking of the alternate meaning of "dirty laundry", but that would probably do as well, IB. ;0)

LOL.... Ironbear...you're a beanbag!

Cracker Tin or bookmark or whay ever...this is kind of amusing...

Nnnnoooooooo.... that's Guido. ;]

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• Monkeysmell

Oh-oh watch your steps Jackie...do we see a TOS violation...attacking another member...beanbag ;-)

... s'okay PJ, I mentioned inch-caliber ordinance, not the metric variety. IB: Undressing a Green isn't too awful bad, so long as you can get out of her apartment right after the act, hopefully before she starts talking politics. Jeff: Damn, dude... that must be one iron-fisted dufflebag up at the PTB that requires a banning/suspension/whatever based on even the most harmless and obtuse insults. You do realize that the forums will prolly come alive with the new official word of the week, yes? /P

Nope...I didn't call him a Dufflebag. A beanbag is a whole different aminal...LOL...

LOL @ Jackie !!!

ROFL@Jackie.

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• Monkeysmell

ROTFLMAO... Jackie, you bad girl... I'm not sure if you should have your backside spanked or not.

Please? :)

She'd probably enjoy that, Q. ;]

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• Monkeysmell

Lordy--I'm having a usenet flashback...

"You do realize that the forums will prolly come alive with the new official word of the week, yes?"

Whatever passes for a life ya know. Wish I had that kind of free time.

-Jeff

As long as you don't end up in The Killfile Dungeon, Mosca. ;]

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Please? Oh cool... I get to spank someone instead of getting whipped. I'll be right over. Erm,, assuming that your other half doesn't object. :)

I think "dufflebag" ranks right up there with "moron factor". :0)

Can mods/admins be "suspended"/"banned", too?

"Whatever passes for a life ya know. Wish I had that kind of free time. -Jeff" I asked Santa to bring you some freetime, but he said you were bad. And he was watching, so he should know. Nah, Cyber. They're imune. Comes from having the "Magic Button". ;]

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• Monkeysmell

I think he'd mind Q...LOL But maybe IB will send you "Jackie" and you can spank her...LOL

Newp. Mine! All Mine! Bwahahahahahaha! ;]

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Ko... "Four bags, a suitcase, and seven bannings ago.... Our for-umites brought forth upon this site, a new violation.... Conceived in idiocy, and dedicated to the preposition that not ALL members are created equal... And now we are engaged in a great uncivil discourse, Testing wether this forum or indeed, any forum, so percieved and so dedicated to the exposition of administerial disdain can long oudure. We are met in a great thread of this debate. We have come to dedicate a portion of this thread as the final suppository for those who here gave their all that this thread might live. It is alltogether fitting that we should do this. But - in a larger sense, we cannot predicate, we cannot punctuate, we cannot hallow these threads.... The brave men, both living and brain dead, who have driveled here have rendered it far beyond our poor powers to add, detract, or be fruitful and multiply. The larger world may little note what we have spewed here, but it shall long remember those who duffled long in this endeavor. And the duffers that endeavored. It is for us the livid rather to be predicated here to the unfinshed works for which those who fought here have thus far unobly deffered. It is rather for us to be here rededicated to these great tasks remaining before us -- that from these the honored banned we take increased demotions in that great cause for which they gave the last ful measure of defiance -- that we here highly resolve that these banned shall not have whittered in vain, nor in any vein, that thee threads by God! shall know a new dearth of freedom, and that an Internet of the people, by the people, and for people shall NOT perish from the Web." By gods, it may not make much sense, but it sure sounds pompous. ;]

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ROFLMAO! Gees...that's a hoot! deja-vu

For the record, if anyone is keeping one, I saw atthisstage's/VS's posts over at another site and, indeed, both accounts have been suspended or banned; at least according to the screenshots. Since I was the one who asked for the screenshots, I figured I should let people know that I have seen them.

This is the frigging funniest thread I've read in AGES. IB you do pompous quite well ;) You big bunch of ironingboard covers!

Hey...if I call someone a pillowcase, does that constitute a bannable offense? Just checking :-)

only if they retaliate and hit you with the pillow

Err, I wonder what they would do if I called the nearest admin a dirty sock? /P

Linen! It's always the fabric woven with fibers from the flax plant that's the problem. Well, that and bedclothes, luggage and undergarments...

ROTFLOL....I haven't had this much fun since....Hell, I can't even remember! Penguinisto...I think dirty sock would be ok....now dirty shorts, THAT might raise some eyebrows :-)

Hmm - depends on how the shorts got dirty, yes? (I mean, grass-stained shorts is no big deal, but if I referred to them as, say, excrement-stained shorts (ie, stains commonly referred to as "racing stripes")... don't want to know what any reference to the more sebaceous fluids would cause, so we can safely say that such a reference is out of bounds. 'course, there are prolly far better things to burn one's brain cells on, yes? /P

Careful Xena - I have a Preamble to the Constipation and I'm not afraid to post it. Stand back! I'm warning you! ;]

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Ironbear.....I issue this challenge to you...Post it!!!! And Pengy? I think the grass stained shorts would probably pass muster, but those racing stripes...man you better watch your step...eyes are watching! I mean, if you can get banned for calling someone a dufflebag, I can't even begin to imagine what calling them racing stripes would get you! I shudder to think!!!

Hmmm. VS asks a legitimate question, doesn't get an answer but instead gets a cryptic and egocentric answer, gets upset FOR GOOD REASON, and is banned for it.

Surprise, surprise.

*36. Re: Moved threads by JeffH on 10/23/02 18:28

"I have to break it down to which threads have the biggest moron-factor going on and boot those."*

Who wants to be the first to say 'Pot-Kettle-Black'? Or is the truth considered a personal attack?

...... Kendra

Man, what a hoot! I haven't watched this forum for a long time a look what I missed! I'm a little fuzzy on this whole TOS thing. Can I get banned for calling myself a duffelbag? And if I give prior consent to be called a duffelbag, can I get banned if someone actually calls me a duffelbag? Or would that person get banned for using the term duffelbag to me even though I gave consent for it to be used? Oh, I'm so confused! As for the Preamble to the Constipation, IB, I for one would be greatful for the cultural enlightenment! We who hold these skid marks to be self evident.

Ko... You asked for it... ;] Preamble to the Constipation "WE the People of these Wildly Disorganised Forums, in Odor to form a more perfect Disunion, ensure Disharmony, Provide for uncommon Defensiveness in the Face of Argumentation, Promote the General Uproar, and to Secure the Fruits of Our Looms to ourselves and our Posteriors, do Hereby Ordain and Minister those Laxatives that shall be deemed most suitable for Rectal-Cranial Inversion wherever it is found, and in the Preparation of the H, to Establish this Constipation of the Divided Forums of these States of Ludicrosity." Concieved of in the Lavatory with Flatulence for All. ;] I haven't finished the Declaration of Incoherence yet. You'll just have to wait for it. The 12 Horsemen of the Apothecaries are still drafting Our Greivances.

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• Monkeysmell

retroactive bannings for everyone on expection of future TOS violations

When will the Bull of Wraths be ready?

I'll be reviewing the Hypercritics Oath should you need me..........

Just LOOKS at jmahoney Whenever you finish drafting them? ;] Who do I look like? George Washington Carver?

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• Monkeysmell

More like Washington Bridge Falloff-of-er ;P

Just when you think the stupidity has reached its zenith, they prove you wrong once again. Un-fucking-believable. I think I like the term "Ludicrosity" IB, Excellent name for this place don't you thnk? And the beat goes on...........

It fits. Should we have a contest to design a new Logo and Banner?

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• Monkeysmell

yes- but we must not decide upion the rules until half way through the contest.

We do need to announce the prizes now though so that after we cancel the public voting we can swap them out for different ones...

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• Monkeysmell

And then call everyone whiners when they complain about getting fucked. Ludicrosity, where the luggage matters.Now all we need is an image of the Daz Gorrilla throwing around a Samsonite, oops I said Samsonite, I guess I'll be next on the hit list.

Isn't Samsonite that guy who got his hair cut by Salmonella and then brought all of the Moneylenders down on top of the Temple?

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• Monkeysmell

LOL why is this thread so hilarious haha, thanks guys, some of you (especially IB :D) never fail to make me laugh uncontrollably :D

Aww shucks, mamn. ;]

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• Monkeysmell

Pack up your troubles in your old kit-bag, And smile, smile, smile, While youve a lucifer to light your fag, Smile, boys, thats the style. Whats the use of worrying? It never was worth while, so Pack up your troubles in your old kit-bag, And smile, smile, smile.

Hrrmmmm... fight songs now, PJ? I may have to dig into my Kipling and drag out the Birds of Prey March if we're going to need rally songs and theme music. ;] Or, mahaps "Danny Deever" would be more appropriate to the sequence that started this rolling?

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• Monkeysmell

I dunno, 'old kit-bag' seems appropriate enough to me. ;-)

It soitanly works for me, Stanly. ;]

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• Monkeysmell

I was in town yesterday with my Mom and we went shopping. I lost Mom in the new Super Store so I decided to go back to the car. I walked out and there was a cop writing a parking ticket. So I went up to him and said, "Come on buddy, how about a break?" He ignored me and continued writing the ticket. So, I called him a pencil necked nazi. He glared down at me and then started writing another ticket - for having bald tires! So, I called him horse shit and a few other choice words. He finished the second ticket and put it on the car with the first one. Then he started writing a third ticket!! This went on for about twenty minutes; the more I abused him verbally the more tickets he wrote. Then my Mom came out. We walked around the corner to our car and left. It was a truly AWESOME day! - unknown.

LOL I have got to stop reading these threads at work. I'm gonna get fired for disrupting the office by laughing so loud :P

I know what you mean nytefall. My co-workers are beginning to think I have totally lost my mind when we all know it was never really mine to lose LOL Actually, I think I may have left it in my dufflebag ;-)

Is someone keeping a list of words we can't use here? If so, we need to add the word "dufflebag". It doesn't matter if the person really is dishelved or disorderly (like the military term says), the word is now "bad". If someone called me a dufflebag, I'd take it as a light, joking, insult- the person wanted to call me a name, but not something offensive. That's the kind of name that you should laugh at, not something you should give a warning about. Jeff, I would say that you're being a ____ and a ____, but I don't know which word may be next to cause me to get a warning. How about if I just say that you're overreacting. (And for those you playing at home, the next word to cause people to get a warning is "overreacting".)

Glad I'm alone in this office...LOL

PJF just made my day with that story..

You can't call it work if you love it... Zen Tambour

 

This is the addendum I spoke of above.

The TOS has been revised reguarding warez:

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Renderosity maintains a Zero Tolerance on certain behaviors within the community:

Soliciting or Trading of any products illegally. This includes, but is not limited to, requests and/or distribution of computer software, software security overrides, serial numbers and/or admission of use or possession (warez).

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Rumors have it a list of forbidden words that can violate the TOS is being developed. This will give a reason for violation.
The current list:
"R'osity" - Some cultures consider slang, nickname, or abbreviate form of a name is a grave insult and personal attack.
"Good" & "Evil" - Moral Judgement
"Pink Ponies" & "Mr. Fluffers" - They are just magnet for attacks and flame wars.*
The next word can get you immediate permanent banning: Belgium

*To Legume. We'll miss ya.

Also: Burlap

I'd like to request an addition to the TOS as well. A clause stating that Admins and mods (past and present) are subject to the rules as well and eligible for bannings and suspensions. Or why don't you, JeffH, admit to the fact that you've done the exact same thing you banned VS for?
And there's proof in the Poser forum a few weeks back where a previous mod willingly and knowingly violated the TOS with a personal attack and is still here and posting and based on posting history, was not even suspended.

I'm all for people upholding the rules of the site but when certain people are obviously held exempt from those same rules you defeat your purpose by proving that they are negotiable depending who you are.

...... Kendra

Also: Burlap Shit. That's me out then.

Kendra,

Another admin handled the incident you speak of and a warning was sent.

The TOS is being followed.

-JeffH.
renderosity

Also: Burlap
Thanks for the addition. I heard "nekkid ... in temple" is being closely monitored.

At another forum, it got out that the VS banning is now permanent because he used the no no horrible word in an email. Does TOS now reach beyond posts within Renderosity?

"there's proof in the Poser forum a few weeks back where a previous mod willingly and knowingly violated the TOS with a personal attack and is still here and posting and based on posting history, was not even suspended." If you are referring to me Kendra. Then I can assure you that I did recieve a warning. I wanted it to be posted in the Poser Forum so the members could see that they do treat me the same as the other members. But they wouldn't do that. They didn't understand that I wanted it to be public. As far as what's been going on here lately goes. Every person in this thread has, in my opinion, made a personal attack on Jeff. In the AOY threads. The same group of members posted personal attacks on TammyMC for making a mistake. I'm ashammed of what the Admins. have let happen to this place. When I left. People were behaving themselves for the most part. And I didn't even need to be here most of the time. I felt I had accomplished my goal for the most part. Now it's a playground for a certain group of bored children. And the Admins. aren't capable of doing what needs to be done to get the place back under control. Hiding behind a T.O.S. designed to be manipulated by the members to attack at will. I'm ashamed of all of you (members and Admin.). For what you did to this place. ScottA

So, you lock a thread based upon a TOS stipulation that did not exist yet?

Oh, sorry, I suppose I should not second guess SOPs around here. Talk about Ridiculosity!

"Every person in this thread has, in my opinion, made a personal attack on Jeff." Really? hmmmm Feel free to have me banned if you can find one that I made.

"Every person in this thread has, in my opinion, made a personal attack on Jeff." Hey, I didn't personally attack anyone...I was just commenting on the utter ridiculousness of the whole dufflebag situation. As a matter of fact, I thought the whole thread was developing quite nicely. Just some people having a little fun...geez, lighten up!

ScottA, I have made no personal attack on JeffH, and never have. Neither have I supported any alleged pesonal attack on JeffH or any other Renderosity staffperson. I have repeatedly offered words of support for them and appreciation for the site. Such efforts have ALWAYS gone unacknowledged. As one of the people in this thread, I resent your false accusation. You are wrong, very wrong, and perhaps owe me and everyone else who did NOTHING to insult or make fun of JeffH an apology. Furthermore, I have REPEATEDLY defended TammyC against conspiratorial claims. I believed her. You paint with an offensively broad brush, my man. Not to pick nits, but as mild as it may be, "bored children" is indeed an example of insulting name-calling. False accusations of personal attacks are even worse than personal attacks, IMHO.

"Hey, I didn't personally attack anyone" Your definitions of "Personal Attack" are different from mine. Harassing people. Regardless of the specific words being used. Is my definition of a personal attack. This is not how most of the Admins. see it. So you're safe to harass people at will. Your playground is safe.

Tell that to VS

I would be careful xoconostle. Such demands of apologies, especially demanding for others, can get a warning or banned.

Oh, and BTW...isn't "Bored Children" more of a personal attack than "Dufflebag" ?????

"Every person in this thread has, in my opinion, made a personal attack on Jeff." LOL. Well, thank ye gods you are no longer here to administer discipline, ScottA. JeffH has permanently banned a member for the heinous crime of calling him a 'dufflebag' (the third and fatal occasion wasn't even in the forums!). If other members feel this is a preposterous overreaction and wish to rip the piss out of the situation with humour, and within the TOS, I guess JeffH and the other admin are going to have to ride the 'storm' for a day or two. Somehow I think they'll cope with these 'personal attacks'. But then if they can't cope, maybe describing their collective performance as shameful isn't a particularly good idea on your part. After all, you've already had one recent warning...

...wasn't there a deleted post around here somewhere? I'll have to look it up.....

"Well, thank ye gods you are no longer here to administer discipline" That's quite an understatement PJF ;-) Things would most certainly be much different. What you are doing here is a variation of DingDongDitch. You start a bunch of trouble here. Then you all run away to PoserPros and giggle like school girls about it. If you read it again. Jeff asked him if he was attacking him. And VS repaeated it. He was asking for it. And you all know it. DingDong....RUN!!!!!!!

All I can say is this: Scott - quit trolling. Holding mods and admins accountable for their actions (even through satire) is not a "personal attack." If I were to launch a personal attack, you can trust me in that it would be in a clear and unconfusing manner, in which even the dullest and densest reader would recognize it immediately. A second sticking point is the fact that you speak as if you are disappointed that the "children" run the "playground." I hate to break this to you, but the majority of those "children" are among the most profligate spenders at the RMP, and make for a good chunk of the revenue base. If the PTB here keep things going as they are (esp. with competition like PP rising almost daily in popularity and membership), the next few months will be interesting to say the least... /P

In the interest of cutting off this thread... The accounts have been reinstated with an apology. 'Nuff said and many thanks.

Money = The right to act childish. Thanks. Now I understand.

There is still an "abuse of power" issue that needs to be taken care of. IIRC, this was not the first "run in" between a certain mod and members. It seems to me like a change is in order to prevent this from happening again.

OK, I went against my grain and deleted my repost to ScottA in the light of VirtualSite's announcement. I happily repeat the bit about supporting JeffH in his closing down of that thread in the Poser Forum, and of keeping crap out the technical forums in general. That is good policy. And the admin here? They're just a bunch of... ...flowers. ;-)

"Every person in this thread has, in my opinion, made a personal attack on Jeff." Now I have never....

I'm glad to hear some action was taken, but JeffH, what about your "moron" insult? What action was taken there? And why do I feel this will never be answered?

...... Kendra

Uh...what can one say...welcome back VS :-)

Thank you Peter.

I didn't demand an apology, but I will suggest that it would be the correct, honest, and adult thing to do in light of ScottA's offensive false accusation. Even if "personal attack" means "harrassment" to him, it's still a 100% false claim in my case, and in the case of at least a few others whom he smeared by including "everyone in this thread." I don't appreciate harassment of this site's administrators. I have been "cyber-stalked" as the result of political disagreemetns on Usenet in the past, which included anonymous death threats left on my home answering machine. It was a frightening, infurtiating, terrible experience. It was serious harrassment. I wouldn't wish it or a milder version of the same on anyone. I'm a respectful person who has never harrassed anyone. In fact, it frustrates me that Renderosity members can be so unappreciative and negative at times. At present, I and others have been smeared by a disgusting false accusation made by someone who is literally being hypocritical regarding site negativity. I am not so pretentious or offended as to "demand" an apology over a stupid incident like this, but it is my very strong opinion that ScottA owes one to everyone whom he has insulted with his unqualified blanket assertion. It was dishonest and incorrect in its scope. That is a fact, not an insult, not harassment. His "playground" remark only extends the insult. Hopefully, he'll be able to consider this calmly without resorting to yet more condescending insults. This is an obvious example of the pot calling the kettle black. Besides, JeffH appears to be perfectly capable of handling his defenses on his own. If someone wants to pretend that I've harassed or attacked ANY Renderosity staffperson, they're simply being dishonest. It has never happened, not even, in spite of possible appearances, in this post.

Sorry xoconostle. The thread has ended. Please proceed to the next door bell.

Hrrrrmmmm...... By your logic, Scott: Boycotting a business you have a disagreement with the policies of - is a personal attack. Going on strike against a company - is a personal attack. Satire against public or private figures - is a personal attack. Political cartoons - are a personal attack. Editorials against a policy of a business or political figure - would be a personal attack. Questioning the actions of any authourity figure - is a personal attack. Stand up comics political and business joke routines - would be a personal attack. Expecting accountability of business, political or public figures - is a personal attack. Effectively making any sort of critique of the actions of any administration would be a personal attack. Damn good thing the TOS isn't nationwide - Jay Leno'd be in a world of shit. Even more if he were actually funny. ;] "Oh there once was a mod who ran poser... Whose comments were always a dozer. He goes off in a huff, Whenever things get too tough. _________________________ " Needs a last line. ;]

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

• Monkeysmell

"Ironbear can't think of a closer" Well, it rhymes!

Scott, if the thread hasn't been locked, it hasn't ended just because you say so, but nice try. I guess you could have it locked. Your use of the word "sorry" doesn't appear to be a sincere apology, but rather yet another condescending remark, especially considering that you couldn't leave it at that. Still, I'm not going to drag this out past this post unless I'm mischaracterized again. Does anyone appreciate being insulted, condescended to, and lied about? Didn't think so. The sad thing, Scott, is that I tend to agree with your complaints regarding site negativity, but can't help seeing that you've contributed to it. "Please proceed to the next doorbell." Puh-leeze. Howzabout you do the same with the false accusations? Or better yet, aim accurately so they won't be false. Thanks for your time. Here's to better days for all of us. By the way, I forgive you. :-)

"Money = The right to act childish." Welcome to the business world. ============================== * Pay the bills * Act haughty towards your customer base * enforce the TOS fairly and evenly ...pick any two, Scott. /P

Ok, We don't realy want to go down that road pepole. Lets play nice... When threads start getting to the point that members start pointing fingers at others we have to step in a lock them.

You can't call it work if you love it... Zen Tambour

 

For the record, Most were playing nice, some were pushing for a fight.

You can't call it work if you love it... Zen Tambour