I've noticed over the last few days a number of devices of torture & execution have been appearing in freestuff, I thought we sent that sort of stuff to Renderotica or Thralldom?

They're well made props, but yeah, that stuff should be sent over, guys.

Wasn't there also some fuss last year with someone uploading a bunch of props from Dendras? Seeing as he makes rather a lot of "torture" tools I'm assuming the ones in freestuff here are originals. (Sorry haven't looked yet). Are they really unsuitable for here though? I know TOS guidelines prohibited torture, bondage or violent images but the props aren't distributed with more than a thumbnail of what they are. shrug.

so what's the difference between showing gun or sword vs torture and execution devices?

And actually, gallows and stakes have long existed... why pretend it's only for places like Rotica? And why would they be worse than bare-ass outfits for Vicky?

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Tell you what, folks, when the thumbnails for the swords et al show them lopping off Posette's head in graphic, bloody detail, I'll buy your argument. If the figure model had been left off the thumbs with these props, I'd probably accept having them here myself. But images of torture -- even virtual ones -- are against the TOS, and that's what she wrote. So where's a mod when you need one?

Virtual. What thumbnails in freestuff for those pieces of equipment show anything except those devices? I've not seen any decapitated posettes. Maybe I blinked and missed it. However, isn't this just a little bit of double standards? It's ok to sell bondage wear in the store, but it's not ok to give away torture devices? Am I missing a point here? The TOS says you can't make naughty unpleasant images, ie for the gallery. But where does it say you can't make naughty unpleasant toys for freestuff? And if you can't, shouldn't that also apply to the store? Whatever. I'm a little confused over this whole thing to be honest. But it warrants another bookmark, if only to find out. :)

Thanks for bringing it up folks. Give us a bit of time to take a look, talk it over and get back to you okay? If nobody's got back to this thread in a day or so, feel free to give me a prod ;) Kev.

Illusions, a comment in an open forum is going to attract posts from other people, simple as that. If a person doesn't want other opinions or remarks then the question should be site mailed directly to admin staff don't you think? The double standards comment wasn't aimed at C1rcle specifically, hence not being addressed to that person. It was aimed in response to Virtual and expanding on the "this stuff doesn't belong here" attitude in general. And I'm sorry you don't feel that my question adresses the operation and well being of this site. But having bondage wear in the store does in my opinion reflect upon this site's operation and it's attitudes towards other items of a similar or related nature. Hence why I thought it worth mentioning. You may also have not noticed my earlier comment up there near the beginning. shrug Whether or not people are going to agree or disagree with the response is somewhat immaterial. People are entitled to their opinions on things. This is after all a collective of individuals. Until the name is changed to Borgosity then I personally expect to see conflicting opinions on issues.

What thumbnails in freestuff for those pieces of equipment show anything except those devices? The A frame and the x-cross both had figures in the thumbs. Personally, I have no issue with it myself (one man's sense of bondage as fun is another man's sense of "huh?"), but it does violate the TOS. The fact that none of the various sword props fail to show a decapitated (semi- or otherwise) Posette (or Vicky, for that matter) just says that swords et al around here are simply props for making their various warrior princesses look hot: you won't find them being plunged into bodies just to "prove" their existence. But putting a Posette or a Vicky in an A-frame? Sorry, but that's a different story, and let's not pretend otherwise. The thumbs aren't showing anything but a naked broad (and always a naked broad, which is sorta interesting unto itself, you have to admit) in a bondage cross, which makes any arguments about "oh, well, that's how it's been done throughout time" kinda specious, wouldn't you say? :)

It's the natural progression of things. They start with nude girls in innocent poses, but it becomes boring as they get jaded, so they graduate to torture to get more thrills. Just ask any big-city D. A. So if you want to promote that lifestyle here, ask yourself why. You will probably realize you don't want to promote it.

Thanks VS. I had missed those thumbs, and you're right, they do violate TOS. Guess that those pieces at least will be removed then. I'm curious to see if the rest go as well.

Hookay, I need to modify my reply now... all I had seen was the witch burning. I never even saw the frame with the naked lady... I can accept the TOS violation on that one. Personally, it still does not offend me as much as all the Vickys here who make like eagle in all their pixel glory. Or PT characters whose hair BARELY covers their flat chests and get away because they happen to have tiny wings. Want to talk TOS? If I was to post a render with a PT like the one in the store promo, I'd have my ass kicked so fast it would make my head spin. But again, we are all equal... some are just more equal than others.

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"Borgosity" hehe....that's pretty funny. :o)

Illusions: uh...oh...you aren't gonna start one of those "too much nudity" debates again are you??? Nope, just how boringly predictable this place is. Zzzzzzzz.

Illusions: I don't have the slightest, but no doubt you'll enlighten us.

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I also don't care for the bondage stuff etc that has got in here. Ordinary nudity is one thing; torture is anoither thing. Even ordinary church crucifixes give me the shivers. Thunbnails and freestuff items and art gallery images should have a Nudity tag option and a Violence tag option, like messages have. Renderotica site now has a freestuff listing instead of ahving to ferret through hundreds of messages.

Wrong. I NEVER defended ANYTHING that looks like a 12-year old. I think people who paint naked or semi-naked children in lewd setting ought to be hung by their perverted nuts. How is that? I was merely trying to say that we cannot SAY what a fairy looks like because they do NOT exist, so it would be insane to claim, hey, she has got wings, a fairy, a fairy! Bullshit. What does it have to do with torture? I already admitted to not having seen the frame but only the witch. And I still don't understand why it is okay to get away with one perversion or murder by sword or gun (and there are some VERY bloody pictures in these galleries!) and not with a tiny thumb of a nude hanging in that damn frame. That doesn't mean I approve of either. But ban all or none.

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I contacted the creator of one of the props in question to let him know about the controversy going on here, and he's decided to pull his items out of freestuff.

His choice, of course, but pulling them because he can't have a naked broad in as a demo seems a little silly, IMHO.

Although I have been guilty of using erotica props in non-erotic pictures:- - Some of my diving images show old boat mooring chain lying on the bottom. I have seen this many times while diving. In my images, this originally came from a bondage prop, since that was the only place I could find chain at the time. - The posable restraint table seems to have possibilities of being used (after alterations, including a self-release switch in reach of his hand) as a spaceship pilot's acceleration couch and nothing to do with sex. Don't ask me to make erotic images: my skill as a pornographer is absolute zero = NIL = 0. That is why I sometimes get impatient at seeing sexy stuff getting all the best ratings.

Actually I wasn't saying it's not ok to give away the things just that some of the thumbnails are a little too close the mark for a "family" site. I do agree that it does seem like double standards when there's so many swords, knives, guns & other instruments of torture & death available but none of them has posette spiked on them or being shot by them as the thumbnail. I wasn't trying to start a war so I'll go back to being quiet again, oh by the way illusions I'm a he lol :)

my, aren't we all suddenly tos-preachers... i'm not a bondage/torture fan myself (nothing wrong with it imho as long as both parties agree with it) and couldn't really care less about it, but saying that swords & guns only make a chick/guy look hotter - s/m fans would say that for torturing devices - and ignoring that all of them are made to make people suffer or die is, well, at least questionable. as if anyone with iq above parrots would have difficulties imaging people inside them. tos or not, let's leave this things either to mods & admins or deal with them privately. this thread has a slight big brother taste.

http://market.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=4277 http://market.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=15543 If these are cleared by TPTB then can't see any probs with the free stuff.

"Guess it all depends on whether or not your imagination wants to lay in the "gutter" or "soar into the sky". correct me if I am wrong but are you saying that, in your opinion,images of a sexual nature mean that the minds of the people who produce them are in "the gutter"?

Guys (and gals ;)) aren't we getting a bit far afield here? Someone pointed some stuff out that bears a second look. Let's not blow it out of proportion huh?

<<I do agree that it does seem like double standards when there's so many swords, knives, guns & other instruments of torture & death available but none of them has posette spiked on them or being shot by them as the thumbnail.>> Oh no? The first artist who comes to mind is lundqvist right here. Do some diging, and you'll find plenty more. So it's not Vicky there or Posette, but female, male, where is the difference when it comes to gore. Then you had the couple with the maimed babies, one of which even made AoM... No torture there, according to the mods here. Again, if one can publish that, wtf is a nude hanging in a frame, especially since there is NO physical contact, no arousal, no blood, not anything but a tiny doll. Again, I am not saying it's right or wrong to make pictures like that,. just when you start pointing fingers, you'd better be prepared to do a LOT of weeding in the galleries, the MP and FS.

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Well, thank GOD the self-appointed TOS police have successfully bullied a freestuff contributor into pulling his evil bondage props. I, for one, feel much safer.

Well, we don't normally mention private communications here in public, but in this case I think it serves a positive purpose. There were a couple of thumbnails which did indeed contravene the TOS, and we've asked that they be changed. As for the member who removed his Freestuff, I've explained the situation (i.e. that the items themselves are okay since there are many uses they could be put to, not just torture but that thumbnails shouldn't include actual torture scenes) so they might be back. Kev.

You're very welcome ;)

since there are many uses they could be put to OK, OK, I have heard of the rack being used as a treatment for back damage. I heard that Francis of Loyola who founded the Jesuits, his back was damaged in a battle, and afterwards he spent a long uncomfortable time in a rack, presumably willingly, to try to keep the bones in line while the injury healed, and during that he went religious. - To avoid any confusions hereinabove, in all my images with chain in, the chain was lying loose on the seabed and not tethering or restraining anything.

Sad to say I've seen some of these threads used for Torture & Execution. I don't mind when orcs are bludgeoned and hacked up and spew blood and guts all over in the movies (or even in the galleries) but it's kinda sad to see us do it to each other - real people. And NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, a THOUSAND times NO, I'm NOT referring to any particular individual(s). It's just a general observation based on hanging out in the forums over time.

Before they made me they broke the mold!
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family site?? FAMILY SITE????? HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!! *cough HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

ummm... something ate four sentences from my post #31, lol! i was wanting to say that one doesn't need thumbnails to guess what the torturing devices was made for, so having someone in there wouldn't change the nature of it, same as swords and guns have only a simple purpouse: to kill. just wanted to say that i feel it's a bit of double standard allowing this stuff without the figure and not allowing it with a figure... F***! i meant "Fine"! or what did you thought?

F***! Figs? Bloodsong made figs... and chocolate chip cookies...

With a swift overhand swing, the opposition is sent reeling in defeat. Game, set, and match to Cheryle. :) :) :)

With a swift overhand swing, the opposition is sent reeling in defeat. Game, set, and match to Cheryle. Depends on what you mean by "opposition", I suppose. She's making a much deeper point that few around here care to acknowledge.

Well,I dont have a problem per se with removing the thumbs or changing them to suit TOS. BUt the double standard is alive and well. There is a thumb on the FRONT PAGE for a sale in the Marketplace for Bondage gear, depicting a woman with a ball gag in her mouth. Does it offend me? Nope, B&D people do what they want, but is it within TOS? Well if a rack isnt then neither is a ball gag. I guess if moneys being made it's a different story from freestuff?

I dont have a problem with that illusions, but if the thumbs were a problem in freestuff shouldnt a thumb on the FRONT PAGE be held to the same standard? Or are Marketplace items above TOS?

ahh... finally... :)

The ad in question about pot is an animated GIF and hasnt been present here in its full format. Its talking about Pottery. We make sure all thumbnails and banenr ads fall within the TOS before we approve them. Thanks, Clint

Clint Hawkins
MarketPlace Manager/Copyright Agent

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No Spitirbro77, MP items are not above the TOS. That's one of the reasons why there is an admin specifically in charge of the MP itself. As to the specific item you're referring to, it's clearly labelled as "fetish accessories", not "torture equipment". Now I'm well aware that the dividing line between what is BDSM and what may be considered torture is very blurred, but among the (admittedly small number of) BDSM folks that I know there is always consent involved, therefore by definition it's not torture. In fact it's almost always the person on the recieving end who is ultimately in charge. Getting back to specifics: burning someone alive is clearly torture in just about anyone's book I would hope as there can't be any consent involved. Using a ball gag is very different and on the scale of things is really quite harmless. So. Pictures of people burning at the stake=torture : against TOS. Pictures of people wearing ball gags so long as they're not being tortured or raped: not against TOS. Hope that clears up a few things. Kevin.

The only time I sawe a man gagged with cloth in real life (not in films), it was in my street and he was spray painting a car and he wanted to keep the spray out of his lungs. Another time I went to an alkali indistry museum and the exhibits included a tape and in it a workman complained about having to work gagged all day to keep alkali dust out of his lungs.

The Pot banner's intention is deceptive. When you first see it, the reaction wanted is the one that you gave. It's an animated gif, but the cycle time is such that by the time the second cycle comes up showing it's for pottery, the user in most cases has moved on- leaving the impression that ad was for something other than what it's intention was. (may be considered deceptive advertising practices?)And it was done knowingly, using a hippy with a peace symbol (the stereotype of a pot smoking hippy) with the verbaige " hey baby, got any pot?" leaving the impression that it is for marijuana, not pottery. Yep i can see how having a hippy stereotype would get me to click on that when i am looking for vases etc. Marajuana use is considered an adult theme. All the banners shown above and the other banner ad composit in another thread are all adult themed. In topless restaurants and bars in my area, just because a waitress has paisties on covering her nipples does not make it family oriented, one has to show proof of age to enter. Regular bar and grills one does not have to show proof of id to enter, even when there is liquor served. Children are allowed in bars as long as they are accompanied by an adult. So sticking little x's over nipples does not make this family freindly. Saying this site is family oriented is not true. There are explicit adult themes displayed. Yes it says when joining that there are adult themes, but what you see above is viewable by all who hit this site even before being forewarned that there are adult themes in the gallery. One cannot turn off those ads with the nudity filter. One is subjected to them no matter what one has set in the filter. My point? This is not a family freindly site whith advertisements like the ones shown above and on the front page with no way of filtering them out.

In case it's slipped your attention Illusions there might be 100,000 plus members but the larger majority of those come here for the freestuff and galleries, there certainly isn't 100,000 people posting in the forums. Plus there are several other busy forums as well. Look through them sometime and you'll see the same names over and over again talking, helping, offering ideas and yes, bitching about stuff. Why is Poser forum more vociferous in places like Team Contact about the site? Well, probably because the store is pretty much 95% Poser oriented, as are the banners and front page adverts, magazine etc etc etc. Getting tired of it? Well, you could always stop reading it. Seems pretty simple to me.

"Have any of you watched TV lately?" No i gave up on it a long time ago. "How the heck did this discussion go from whether or not the Torture and execution devices belong here to whether or not this is a family friendly site?" it was mentioned in one of the above posts. "to re-make this site over into their own image of right and wrong." Nah - just hoping for some consistancy is all ;)

Illusions wrote: Now, I never said I was tired of reading it... Ahh, my mistake then, I took the wrong inference from your "tiresome" comment. As regards the opinion of the larger majority of site members. Seeing as they can't be bothered or (due to language barriers) can't read the forums, what good would a poll do? There are polls on the front page from time to time, very few people bother to vote in them. Any idea why? I'll give you a clue. When this site first formed I had no interest at all in the politics and bitch fest that was going on so I set my favourites marker to the freestuff area. It's the only place I went. A friend of mine set his to the poser gallery. neither of us saw the forums, nor the front page. What poll? I know other people who are bookmarked at their favourite forum and when they click the link to 'rosity it takes them there. Front page? What Poll? Then allow for foreign nationals who come here to look at pictures and snaffle freebies and a percentage of them won't even know that there is a poll because they can't read it. Allow also that a percentage of that 100,000 are clone accounts, some people have many, others only one and allow that another percentage of that 100,000 are dead accounts (because you can't delete your membership here) and all of a sudden that number comes down even further. Poll of members? Only if you force everyone to sign up again. And even then I'd say a good chunk of them wouldn't be able to read well enough to find out why they have to sign up again. So, a poll? I predict you'd be real lucky to get 150 votes. Illusions wrote: And the inconsistency is what...Renderosity is not Disneyland? No, the inconsistency is much larger than that, but Renderosity does often try to pretend it's Disneyosity when patently it isn't. :)

Nah the inconsistancy is: we have a filter button to filter out what we do not wish to see (ie: nudity) yet it is forced upon one as soon as they hit the site. Various times this site has stated it's a learning site, its an artists site, its a professional site, it's all about the art. Yet when one hits the front page and is greeted by banners such as the ones above and in the other post... that is not the impression i am given. You already know part of why i removed my gallery from here. i have been very open about it. "Maybe you should take another look at tv." I have a tv- i watch certain shows, i monitor my tv. I have the choice to watch or not watch what i want. When i hit this site i have no choice but to view the banners.

I was under the impression that nudity in any form was not allowed in banner ads. Well that was the situation awhile ago. Has it changed?

Telling somebody to watch T.V. to find out what's right is like telling somebody to go dumpster-diving for dinner. If they do it on T.V., it's aimed at the lowest common denominator, so why would you use that as an excuse? Wouldn't that cheapen and degrade everyone who willingly participates?

Do a search for "Torture" in the MP and this is what you find. Perfectly acceptable of course because it's a sales item.

I just find it humorous that when you join, there was an effort to say you must be 16 to join , if you are under 16, you must have parental permission in writing to join, they allow us to filter what is in the galleries, yet the ads in banners, in market place and on the front page are plainly viewed for all to see with no warning or disclaimer. As soon as you hit this place there they are. What is the point in requesting parental permission to go to the galleries, allowing filters for the galleries, when as soon as you hit this site you are bombarded by adult content?

Ya, the woman in the blurb above REALLY looks consenting and in charge, LOL! Look at her terrified expression and try to sell me that again...

L'ultima fòrza è nella morte.

Hummm...I don't understand the arguement here. I have never seen stated anywhere (except by some members) that this was a family site. Do "family sites" usually demand a written permission slip for under 16 year olds? Seems to me that would indicate that this site is not really intended for children 16 and under...?

i mentioned it A long time ago- i was shot down as usual LOL! Actually- we havent had a consipracy theory come up yet in this thread so i am going to post one now MUHAHAHAHAHAA! It's a consiracy with the banners! They know when i am at work and that's when they cycle them into rotation! but only when i am at work or with someone who i would like to make a good impression on. Then those ads come up! ;D

Illusions wrote: Me: And that changed because? Because I thought I had something to contribute to this site. Over time it became apparent that wasn't the case so I moved on and now come back to watch it slowly degrade into Ludicrosity, snicker, stick my unwanted and tiresome nose into things and of course, find news snippets concerning the centre of the universe known as Poser. :)

well bshafer there yah go- you need permission if you are under 16- but to get to the page to give permission- the ads above have already cycled through- shouldn't the permission page and the disclaimers be first? before being able to view the ads etc? For instance: "You are now entering renderosity's Market place. Due to the nature of graphics and products shown, there is nudity and adult content. You have been warned, now hand over your credit card to us and enjoy your visit" :D

LOL well yeah, but not too many 16 year olds have their own credit card either. ;o)

oh i was talking about the enter market place - spend your credit card until it's maxxed out LOL hey - if they have mom/dad/legal guardian's permission to get in- then mom/dad/legal guardian will most likely give/let them use the cc online-with permission of course ;D you know- the uncheck email option doesnt work very well LOL i have unchecked it every post LOL! wait! Another thread! I bet i can come up with a conspiracy to cover that one too!!!

"...and when they don't get any..."" HAHAHAHA! they ALWAYS get that opporunity with me LOL!

"otherwise there might be no site at all! " Seems to be what some of the people posting want. I can't wait to see what the next big issue will be.... wake me up when it gets here.

Wake up Lon! we are going to start the conspiracy of the "email on response check box" and how it lies to you - lulling one into a sense of "ahhh my in-box is free!" then when you get comfortable and start working and you think it's work dropping into your email.. BAM! 12 ebot! all to threads you unclicked the email on response box! or Somne one will mention "dufflebag" or "clothes hamper" and all hell will break loose, or if i get really bored- i will make a banner composit of the banner ads i like ;D Just because i can MUHAHAHAHAHAA! hey there we go! the next great controversy! a banner ad contest!

where's the vote for banner ad of the year poll? i thought it was there but when i went to vote,.. it was gone? J/K! ;D

Illusions wrote: By the way...which came first Neither. I've been saying it for a long time. First time would have been here in Poser Forum or C&D, next after that at 3DCommune which suffers a similar condition.

Uh oh...... (adds to Illusions ebot bomb with this post) Actually, in this threads defense- it actually did start as a service- it pointed out to the admins that there was a questionable thumbnail in the free stuff area that should be looked into. Admin did look into it and they resolved the issue. The rest of us are just being us! - discussing it, taking it off on ten different tangents, examine it down to the last period, comma, excalmation point, expressing differing opinions, etc. There was no "Kill the admins, site, dufflebag, insert whatever object you want here" type of tone that i could detect.

"Me: I don't think that's the case at all. I have to admit...I've seen a bit of "nit-picking" but I didn't sense a undercurrent of "kill the site" or even "wishing Renderosity would go away", from anyone that posted in this thread...could you be more specific? " Not really talking about this thread but this whole forum. Kind of said in jest really. Just seems to be a bunch of people in here complaining and that's all I ever see from them. They don't help anybody in the other forums they don't have a gallery. (not a necessity) Most claim to pack their bag and leave for greener pastures but come back to pee on the grass here. They contribute nothing but negative noise. Might not be outright killing the site. But as a business it can't be good PR. Kind of like going into walmart and whipping out your sharpy to scrible all the things you hate about them an the walls.

" But as a business it can't be good PR. Kind of like going into walmart and whipping out your sharpy to scrible all the things you hate about them an the walls. " Have you ever seen the bathrooms in some of those stores? That's pretty much what is on some of them! ;D Oh Nooo! he brought up the word business! that leads back to the banner ads! doncha think that having banner ads that are somewhat adult in nature and some banner ads that are just flat out non professional and well crappy looking up there can hurt a business image especially when that is the first thing you see? forums at least you have to go deeper into the site to read- after assuring the site that you are over 16 and consent to seeing adult type material etc etc . Now see? the thread was dying out! There are some really good ads up there Krome Kats Forest and ivy one is really good looking. I like Jaydiva's red one advertising the whole store of (hers)(his) And yep i did forget the sarcastic, irreverent and silly part ;) /e hands Illusions some tylenol for the headache that is bound to come from watching the email ebot dropping off mail

I see the banners. I was here before the store. Iv'e seen them all. I don't really care for most. Will that hurt the person who's add it is. Just might in sales. That is his business decision and this sites to make not mine or yours. How many businesses do you know that set their policy by public forum ? Sure they might if there is a ground swell of opposition. I don't see that here. I see the same people causing all the ruckus. less than 10 people isn't a large amount

Fascinating, I don't see anyone causing a ruckus. I guess I must be looking at a completely different thread.

I believe this thread is in this forum. And a couple of the first people to take this off topic fit the description I just gave. A quick check of all the threads I can see on this forum kind of confirms my point. I said nothing about it getting out of hand. acually it's one of the more rational threads here. Just heard it all before. Won't change anything. They will run this site as they see fit because it it their site not ours.

"How many business do you know set up a public forum and allow people to discuss what goes on in the business even if they don't set their policy by public forum? " Not many at all. Pretty damn decent of them. I fear if it's abused too much it will go the way of C&D

"Will that hurt the person who's add it is" it can hurt the person who owns the ad yes, but it has larger implications. We do not live in a vaccuum here I have personally lost clients by bringing them here to view my gallery (when i had a gallery here,) and they asked me why i was posting to a soft porn site. I have heard others have had the same experience. it hurts more than just the banner ad owner. Now i am not saying this will happen to everyone but it does happen. As with everything- there are some who are more open about ideas than others. I can't afford to have someone (paying client) be insulted or overwhelmed or surprised by bringing them to a place to view things they may not normally view or even consider viewing.

Ahh yes, the typical response. Well, I guess that everybody should just suck it up then and let whatever happens happen. Never complain about anything just blindly accept it because it won't change anything. Funny thing that, history states things differently. The history of this site is one such example that people who do stand up and let themselves be heard instead of blindly accepting everything CAN change this site and the way it's run. Not often, but it happens. Seeing as you were "here before the stores" you'll have seen that happen. Or did you blink and miss it?

I think the big problem, that caused many people here to post, is the lack of consistency and the perceived problem that the rules vary depending on your status in this community. It has reached a point where if you decide to post an image that hasn't dropped off a chocolate box ( not that there is anything wrong with "an image that hasn't dropped off a chocolate box" the image will more than likely be deleted, and/or you get banned for a week. (As an example) to put it simply there is a perceived deficit of fairness.

Lon, did you stop by just to lambast everyone, or do you have something relevant to share? Nah, not really you all have fun. Questor Ahh yes, the typical response. Well, I guess that everybody should just suck it up then and let whatever happens happen. Never complain about anything just blindly accept it because it won't change anything. Funny thing that, history states things differently. The history of this site is one such example that people who do stand up and let themselves be heard instead of blindly accepting everything CAN change this site and the way it's run. Not often, but it happens. Seeing as you were "here before the stores" you'll have seen that happen. Or did you blink and miss it? When I get me some stock in this company then I'll worry about how it's run. As it is they let me have my gallery here for free and post to the forums all free of charge. Don't see how that give me any right to set the policy. If you feel different then not much I can say.

Lon Chaney: "Ahh yes, the typical response." Not me Questor said that.

"When I get me some stock in this company then I'll worry about how it's run. As it is they let me have my gallery here for free and post to the forums all free of charge" Then why are you worried about how it's running now? Your quote "But as a business it can't be good PR." well if it isn't then they will change it- they always do change what they want, when they want. In the mean time we are using the site the way it was set up- we are in the team feedback and site forum, expressing our feedback. No one is "setting policy" here- that can only be done by the admins shrug Now, if they choose to use anything discussed here then i personally feel that would be a good thing. In the meantime, if i want to waste my time talking in these forums, expressing opinions which may not be popular, getting shot down, etc. then i will do so. Not everyone is out to "kill the site" as you put it. Some are actually trying to help by pointing out things which may not be obvious or may be overlooked by the ptb in the day to day activities

Gosh, Lon, what a shame. We don't rush to embrace your stance, and your reply: "Well, these people don't have galleries and they don't participate in the other forums and, and, well, gosh darn it, I'm just right!" Snooze. Some of us pulled our galleries from here for reasons that would probably zing right over you, so I suggest you not worry your pretty little head about it, okay? Insofar as people like us "killing this site", as if. Rsity makes a ton of money off the t&a crowd, so it's hardly likely they'll change their banner policy to suit anyone but the bottom line. But Cheryle has a good point: the "adults only" disclaimer comes well after one's into the registration process, and by then, you've had plenty of time to view the wonders of the big tittied marvels in the Marketplace. Wouldn't take much for the PTB to address what's, in actuality, a pretty small problem, but it should be addressed. Insofar as the image way back up there in post # 73, I guess one can tapdance around the fact that she's in a cage, naked (of course -- what better way to sell your fetish stuff?), and looking like no one's gonna let her out for another 20 years.... but, hey, it's not really torture. It's a depiction of a virtual model being held captive, and as such, hey, no biggie. Right.

There was nothing typical in my response. I asked you a simple question. Nobody said you have to suck anything up and take it...I don't understand why you bothered with this thread if all you wanted to do was lambast the people that posted in it. What does that have to do with either of the discussion we've had here? Really Lon, it would be nice if you had something more to contribute than complaining about the people that were posting here. Because the people I'm complaining about,not you, are always complaining. There are a couple in this thread right here and if you look in previous threads you'll see the same names over and over. I feel that's a valid of point in this thread as posting a bunch a banners and steering the topic away from the original post I just thought I would complain about the complainers thus becoming a complainer then I can complain to myself about myself and create a never ending cycle of complaining Ok eat your dinner ;0) I'm getting hungry too

Carefull Illusions, making mistakes like that and attributing comments to the wrong people can cause erm... problems sometimes. I said that, not Lon. :) Lon: When you get stock in this company? Not being funny but if it wasn't for user feedback, discussion, rhetoric and in some cases screaming and tearing of hair with much gnashing of teeth and foot stamping this site would be very different. Considering some of the things that have been argued out on the past, I'd hesitate to say that this site would be a lot worse though in some cases it might have been better if certain changes weren't undertaken. The gallery is here because people requested one, the store has changed over the last year because people have complained about aspects of it which has helped the management to change the store so it's better for people who use it brokers and buyers alike. Same with the galleries and the forums. They've all changed in one way or another over time as a result of people standing up and voicing their opinion. Regardless of whether or not they own shares. I'm sorry, but I really don't understand your logic, silence is not an answer to anything. You don't get things looked at or fixed or changed by being silent. The nuditity filters are there because they were requested, the freestuff now has a text box for information and is seperated into relevant sections and has the "commercial/non commercial" tag available because people complained and brought it to the attention of the PTB. So, you carry on quietly using this site, never mentioning or complaining about anything (except other people of course). I much prefer that people DO stand up and voice their opinions and argue, and discuss, and complain because it all helps to improve the environment that represents this website although oft times it appears the contrary.

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kind of like how you weren't complaining here in this link right?

doh cross post sorry questor my response was to Lon

Gosh, Lon, what a shame. We don't rush to embrace your stance, and your reply: "Well, these people don't have galleries and they don't participate in the other forums and, and, well, gosh darn it, I'm just right!" not saying I'm right or wrong. Just find it real funny the biggest group complaining in these forums don't have anything here but they do on other sites. They post their galleries and models other places and their complaints here. ah.. this is taking too much of my time.Time to move on

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12401&Form.ShowMessage=1023675 kind of like how you weren't complaining here in this link right? good try. I paid for that software did you pay for this site. I acually talked the people at greenworks and worked it out. That's in that thread too. LOL ok you win have fun I'll just go back to making pictures. You guys can keep this site running.

you keep bringing up the fact that this site is not a member pay site. Just because one has not paid for membership does not mean one is not entitled to have an opinion. This forum is FOR feedback. We are giving it. I do free work for people. I don't just grind someting out and say here this is what you get suck it up. I take the time to do it how they want. The pay thing is my choice and has no bearing on the quality of the work i produce for them. You make it sound like they are doing everyone a favor by having this site. Granted it is nice to have this site to come to, but in the end we do pay for it- by market place purchases, by magazine sales, etc etc. Make up your mind- you go from this being a professional business site to being a favor for people by being here, to we are all out to kill this site ;P what exactly is/was your point?

"You make it sound like they are doing everyone a favor by having this site. Granted it is nice to have this site to come to, but in the end we do pay for it- by market place purchases, by magazine sales, etc etc. " LOL Yes I do think they are doing everyone a favor. Me: I sell no products, I have no free stuff, I help in the forums if I can and have a gallery well over 50mb at no cost to me. I landed a job working on a game because of this site. Some people make money from this site selling stuff. Granted Renderosity gets a cut but how much would they make without Renderosity? Do I think they are doing me a favor YES. I made money because of this site and i didn't cost me a cent and I gave up no freedoms. The people that sell here have a contract. If they don't like the terms don't sign on. The store looks pretty full to me. A favor you ask? I would have to say YES. I just can't see it any other way. A business site you ask. They sell a product and make money sounds like one to me. Did you search all the forums to come up with the xfrog forum gem? I don't think your going to find anything I'll be ashamed of. But your welcome to look. Business/favor to the masses... yes both not too hard to swallow That's all from me on this thread. See you in the next.

I have to laugh when these guys try to appear self-righteous in defense of torture, execution, false imprisonment, degradation and who knows what other evil that civlized people have rejected. We just ain't buying their distorted logic.

I have to laugh when these guys try to appear self-righteous in defense of torture, execution, false imprisonment, degradation and who knows what other evil that civlized people have rejected. We just ain't buying their distorted logic. you even paying attention here ? I'm not even talking about the orginal topic I'm talking about the people that have no gallery or anything else to do with this site coming here to get on every thread to complain. Kind of like YOU ??? The original topic was settled long ago nice try

i have to laugh at Lon because he came back! LOL after 3 posts of "i am done" and criticizing people who have left the site saying they are done and come back again, he pulls the same thing in his posts in these threads. shrug LOL! You got a job from this site- - i lost a few because of this site- Post 107 I have gotten many more by removing my gallery and having my own web site and marketing plan.shrug if it weren't for the masses ;P there would be no business- a full cirlce i would say- one hand washes the other. Questor makes some good points about how things have gotten better from feedback (which you insist upon calling whining) Yet you keep going on in your blind way- insisting everyone sit down suck it up and just get on with it. No. If there is something which the members feel should be addressed, they should bring it up. Then Admin will act or not upon it. It's that simple. I don't have to search all the forums all i have to do is just look at two pages of this forum to see your posts. It just happens i use xfrog and happen to lurk that forum, read that post and thought to myself " oh yah this is the guy that tells everyone else to calm down let things be yada yada" it was good for a laugh. I still don't get why you came to this post- we were having a nice meandering discussion about different things, no one was hostile. differences of opinions and strongly felt opinions yes. but nothing one would consider hostile or detrimental to anyone including this site. Then after everything died down- you come in and get things going again. If you are so worried about this place's reputation as you claim- you do it more harm by refueling what was already dying out. You gave it new life.

Funny thing about the internet and these types of forums ;) you never really know who you are talking to, and who has power to hire who, and the person you may be discussing a subject with may actually be someone just testing things out before hiring them. as for no gallery or forum contact- maybe they don't have one because they want to look for new artists etc? See how certain people deal with differences of opinions and ideas? shrug just a random thought.

I swear it's a consiracy! almost every banner in my above post has appeared during this thread! I think some one has a sense of humor LOL!! either that or i should go buy a lottery ticket ;)

Well, here I am to add my meager 2 c's worth.. I have to agree with Cheryle.. When I first came to 'Rosity, and began posting my gallery pictures I invited my aunt to view them..The first thing she saw was a banner ad 'SEX' which of course she closed the window immediately without seeing that it was a deceptive ad that was trying to get attention for a market place item* I got my butt chewed nine ways to Sunday over that.. I was stunned and embarrassed that she saw that even tho there was no nudity involved I have seen many banner ads since that really didnt sit well with me *I have no problem with nudity, in it's place, but as far as that one banner ad with the nude female in some err..compromising positions, with a star over each nipple.... and others..sigh As far as that 'caged' woman.. gee thanx for the 'nudity' tag Longest..;) glad I saw it just before my 10 year old daughter came into the room for homework help. And Lon, I dont know you, but if I feel I need to complain here about something, I will.. even tho maybe nothing will come about by my complaining, and it might not be what people want to hear, sitting silent and saying nothing def. wont get anything changed. I removed my gallery for reasons I do not care to go into here, and I help out where I can.. Im generally liked here {I hope} and dont 'complain' much.. but as I said earlier.. I will complain if I feel the need to. Seems to me, your doin' an awful lot of 'complaining' about people doin' an awful lot of complaining Ok, Im done for now :D Have a good night/day all! ~Jani :)

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"Granted Renderosity gets a cut but how much would they make without Renderosity?" And How much would Rosity make without them? Without members this site would die a quick death. Merchants, artists, forumites etc all contribute to this site in one way or another. If members complain it's because they CARE! If I didnt give a shit what happened here I would do as you say you do, suck up freestuff,eat up bandwidth and sit back and enjoy the show.

excuse me for asking cheryle and this has nothing to do with the original subject but I've heard once before how you pulled your gallery becouse you brought clients here to view your work and they were offended becouse they percieved this as a soft core porn site. I may be missing something but who in their right mind would ever consider using a public gallery as a Portfolio? sounds rather daft to me. whether its family friendly or soft core I can't see a prospective client being impresssed by that kind of presentation.

you know, I remember when people were happy to get new freebees, regardless of the TN image, of course that was before they had a store and people could spout out "I'm a customer" back then, we were just members of a comunity

"you know, I remember when people were happy to get new freebees, regardless of the TN image, of course that was before they had a store and people could spout out "I'm a customer" back then, we were just members of a comunity " Here Here! I for one do appreciate all the freebies people take the time and energy to make. It amazes me the length people will go to to help each other out in the community. Unbelievable! Cudos to all the freestuff makers and thier efforts on our behalf. Without you none of this would be possible 8-)

I landed a job working on a game because of this site How nice for you, Lon. Tell us: did you give Rsity a cut of the proceeds? If not, why not?

Folks, can we please stop taking every opportunity to microanalyse every word, every comma and every question mark? Most of what's in this thread has stayed polite, if not exactly friendly in places but in the last couple of dozen posts it's starting to turn more into 'aha! I see a minute loophole in what XXX said and I'm going to tear him/her a new one until I make him/her look like a fool." Everyone's made their respective positions perfectly clear and it's obvious that were never all going to agree on it. Kev.

I reckon this must be oe of the longest Renderosity threads ever.

I guess if you 'tore someone a new one', it would look...well... foolish. {Bursts out laffin'.. ok, ok, ok.. I'll shup} Not pickin on ya Kev.. it just struck me as funny..mental pic and all :D plus I havent heard that one in a long time ~goes back to being happy~ ~Jani :)

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"I reckon this must be oe of the longest Renderosity threads ever." LOL...Nah, IIRC, Ironbear holds the Record.

wdupre at the time i was broke and had no web site. i could not afford the web hosting. Someone was kind enough to buy me a domain name and a web site. I have tried to pay them back but they refused. After getting the web site up- thing have gone very well.

OK, let me give you a little information. 1) The items complained of are not torture items. In the real world, people who really do torture don't use custom-made bondage furniture in finished mahogany, and they sure as hell don't use shiny red ball gags. If you want to know what they do use, go and check with Amnesty International. These items are for bdsm play. In real life, they would only be used with the full consent of the "victim". If this all seems hard to grasp for those whose take on the adult world begins and ends with NVIATWIAS, then take it from me, it's true. Therefore the issue of torture in the TOS does not arise. 2) You will not see those items again. I have it from the creator of those props that he viewed this thread and decided he didn't want to be associated with this site. I don't blame him. I have never posted any of my free stuff at this site since much of it is adult-oriented, and I wanted to pre-empt PRECISELY this sort of attack. If you want to see it, you'll have to look for it. I believe I'm not supposed even to post a link here in case some witless minor clicks on it and is traumatised by the sight of a morphing riding crop. 3) I have seen on other sites a certain amount of criticism of Renderosity as being a place of hypocrisy and double standards. It might be no bad idea to make a decision: either (a) this is a family-friendly site with nothing but fluffy animals and flouncy frocks - in which case, kick out ALL the erotica. Or (b) this is a mixed, adult community - in which case the prudes and prigs should be told where to get off. Then at least we may have some consistency.

davo, personally I don't have a problem with the madlab-II stuff, and so long as the thumbs which were on view here didn't have models in them I think they would be acceptable. That's my opinion, but if you'd like me to ask the admin team their opinion I'm happy to do so. Kev.

..."in which case the prudes and prigs ..." Why is it that anyone who chooses not to view nudity is labeled a prude or prig? Maybe they just have no interest in nudity. Maybe they see it all day long at work and it's lost it's thrill and want to be thrilled by seeing something with clothes on?

davo, no I mean that they would have to have the human figures removed before they'd be okay to be used as thumbnails in Freestuff. If you were selling the items in the MarketPlace all of the images and the files would be hosted here and the images would all have to comply with the TOS. If you want more advice on what's acceptable in the MarketPlace please contact store@renderosity.com. Not that the images in there have any more leeway but I'm not a merchant so don't know if there are limitations on what actual items may or may not be accepted for sale.

illusions, just to be clear I'm a mod not an admin ;)

passes HUGE mug-o-coffee to illusions Cream & Sugar? .

"Why is it that anyone who chooses not to view nudity is labeled a prude or prig?" Note that I carefully didn't label anyone with these terms, I said that, in the case that some adult material is deemed to be suitable for Renderosity, such people should be told where to get off. Obviously such people exist, or we wouldn't have words for them. As to whether the thumbs had a figure in or not, it still wouldn't be torture. The figure would most likely be having a good time. Having to view all these sickening toonimals, now THAT's torture.

nono you said this "in which case the prudes and prigs should be told where to get off." If you had used the terms " such people " or "those who wish to not view" your post would have been much more effective. As it stands the way you posted it, anyone who chooses not to view for what ever reason, has been labeled. If one were to say "get that BDSM perverts and sexual deviant items out of..." you would be all up in arms at that label. "As to whether the thumbs had a figure in or not, it still wouldn't be torture. The figure would most likely be having a good time." Doesn't sound like a good time to me but i don't go around labelling people because of that. shrug

As I said, that's the raison d'etre for such things. It's a matter of fact. Chacun a son gout.

Oh, and "anyone who chooses not to view for what ever reason, has been labeled" is simply not so. I made no definitions.

"this is a mixed, adult community - in which case the prudes and prigs should be told where to get off." the implication was there.

I said that, in the case that some adult material is deemed to be suitable for Renderosity, such people should be told where to get off And the same should apply to those who, for whatever reason, cross the few lines we have around here. Don't like the tone of a particular thread? Don't post yer stuff here, lest you get called on it -- and that doesn't matter whether it's cute-n-fuzzy or BDSM toy props. It goes both ways, folk. But if you want me to have any respect for your POV, come up with something a tad more original than "prudes and prigs" and equating "family friendly" with pap.

I don't have sympathy for people who complain about their co-workers and kids seeing a little skin on this site. I have 6 kids for Pete's sake, and I can manage to brows here without them seeing a little T&A. What you choose to let your kids see, and what I choose to let mine see, are our rights as parents. Here where I am, I cannot afford to sit up all night waiting for my kids to be tucked into bed, so I can happily browse this site. Whether this is actually a 'family' site or not, there are filters that are to be used if you prefer not to see nudity.. and as such this site has a responsibility to keep certain things out of view that are not deemed 'family oriented' that do not have a 'filter' ~like the banner ads~ Phantast: Just because a few of us dont want to look at the same old boring nudes, that doesnt make us prudes or prigs.. You might get your jollies that way, but dont label me because I get mine a different way.. ~J

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Eats all da cashews and then looks sheepish Ok, ok, ok.. I'll go get some more... :P ~J

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Answer to illusions: anyone who fits the standard definition of the term, of course :) - there must be SOME around! But clearly not those "who choose not to view for WHATEVER reason", which must include gymnophobes and all sorts of other categories. Very careful not to point any fingers! I was trying to discuss in fairly general terms and I see some folk have taken it personally. Please note that I am NOT arguing that a whole lot of adult stuff should be added to this site. I was surprised that the props complained of were added here. Had they been mine, I wouldn't have put them here at all. They are more appropriate at Renderotica and Thralldom. Equally, use of the nudity flag and carefully observing the TOS gives me, personally, no problems. It strikes me as somewhat singular that the grounds for complaint was not that there were items of dungeon furniture being put here, but that there was a teeny tiny figure in the thumbnail. I know this has been the reaction of others, and I will refrain from quoting them. The perceived problem with this site (as per umpteen discussions here and elsewhere) is not really the policy as such with regard to adult items, but whether it is applied in a consistent and sensible way. The main reason why I chose to join this discussion, in any case, was to inform you (since it was left in doubt from previous posts) that you won't see those props again. Mission complete. Over and out.

From today's FreeStuff.

No subjective observation needed. It's a thumbnail depicting a human figure in a torture device, complete with blood and expression of agony. In other words, a prima facie TOS violation.

I digress

{Why is it that anyone who chooses not to view nudity is labeled a prude or prig?} What about people who see nudity when they're not expecting to, such as when children are present. Or what if they're viewing this site from work (during a lunch break) and a co-worker comes up and sees the "SEX" or lingerie banner? Or how about this argument: An artist can't afford his own website, so he uses his gallery on Renderosity as his "portfolio" to show potential clients, friends, and family members. He put the link into his e-mails and tells his grandmother to go check out his artwork. She clicks the link to his gallery and sees the above-mentioned "SEX" banner. She didn't sign up to be a member, she didn't even read any disclaimers that there would be "adult material"- she just clicked a link that her grandson gave her. So, instead of seeing the artwork, she is suprised that her grandson would post to a site that would have such ads. What then? However, there is a way to block the banners on the top of the page within your own browser (that doesn't "interfere with the normal operations of the site") by using certain "ad-subtracting" software. But, I digress also...

no I see complaints in the forum wanting even the NVIATWAS not to be posted here ;-) Nary a one about wanting more erotica, there's places to post that all over, and you can even charge for the access to see it. as for R'osity's TOS on images to post, I agree with it. Hardcore sexual images need to be posted on an erotic site. No problems with that. However, this is an art site, and like a regular museum, you're going to see naked people, even children... and if you're curious if you can get away with naked babies... I did - I posted a photograph of a mural... the Nativity painted on the side of a Bavarian castle - complete with naked Baby Jesus and a naked Cherub fountain in the castle courtyard! You're also going to see naked women, naked men, people being killed in battle, Jesus being crucified... etc! And this is all ok, as long as its not involving out and out explicit sex. BDSM torture is not allowed here, and should not be. I guess the torture rule is more applied as 'torture in sexual situations" and that's a good rule to have here. That type of stuff doesn't belong here. But if we cut out ALL nudity, as some of the prudes and prigs would like to do... this place would fast lose its appeal. I'm pretty sure that Renderosity knows that, though... so I'm not overly concerned about it. Carry on folks doing the right thing.

And then you have people who call others names, who insist that it is their right to insist that all MUST view everything when all some want is a way to not filter it out as a professional courtesy.

you have that already, its called the nudity filter. Renderosity was very kind to give it to you. USE IT. You don't have that in a museum though. What will you do at the Met? What will you do when you are confronted by nudity in art there, and trust me, there's a lot of it. as for calling names, I've been called a pervert already by some of these people that would like this site as homogeneous as Wonder rubber bread, so I don't have any bad feelings calling the same people prudes and prigs like Phantast ;-)

"its called the nudity filter. Renderosity was very kind to give it to you. USE IT. " I do use it- it does not work on the banner ads nor the market place items. What part of " professional courtesy" and "everything has an appropriate place and time" are you not getting? Apparently all of it. when one brings a client here to view one's art, and said client normally does not view the types of images in the above banner composit image, and or would not normally vhoose to view those images, the above banners can and have caused negative reactions. There is NO FILTER to filter them out. Also this site has a consent form for under 16 , yet all the above banners are shown BEFORE one gets to the consent page. One has NO WAY of filtering what one sees when one first hits this site. But ahh that does not fit into your over-used concept of a museum does it? This is NOT a mueseum-Some here use this as a jump point to more lucrative positions.

I don't understand why people seem to have so much free time to browse galleries while at work... instead of working? Don't most businesses frown on that? I know I was always too busy to play at work... And if you get caught looking at nekkid chicks at the office, you get what you deserve. Also, don't underestimate children these days. Especially here in Germany, sex-hotline commercials air openly on TV. Okay, it's a plague, no doubt, but the fact stands... kids have already seen it all!

L'ultima fòrza è nella morte.

"I don't understand why people seem to have so much free time to browse galleries while at work... instead of working? Don't most businesses frown on that? " No- not if it's on some one's lunch break or break time or down time waiting for the next project or for any number of reasons where there is down time but one is still required to be there just in case..which in any case is not your business unless you are the one signing the check. How do you know it's not someone who's looking from work to aquire an artist for a book or something? In which case filtered banner would be a nice courtesy, "And if you get caught looking at nekkid chicks at the office, you get what you deserve." Which brings up the fact that most, out of courtesy for other co workers etc, would use the nudity filter, but there is no filter for banner ads etc. "Also, don't underestimate children these days. Especially here in Germany, sex-hotline commercials air openly on TV. " This site isn't in germany, german tv commercials have nothing to do with banner ads here. Also don't presume that "kids have already seen it all! " because some parents know thier children haven't. Rather arrogant and sweeping on your part to assume that most parents are clueless as to what their children know and see or don't know and haven't seen. Also American laws are different in regards to what minor children can see and cannot see.

Don't tell me about American laws here. I am a paralegal, and spent 22 years in the States. So I am not exactly naive. It is STILL the parent' responsibility to watch their children, not mine or yours or any artist's. I am not advocating exposing minors to porn. If you don't want yours to look at this place, don't go browsing when they are anywhere near you. Plain and simple. Or teach them from the get-go the difference between nudity and cheap porn. They understand quite nicely. At least those -I- know do... and that includes my own three brats. Btw, most offices I have been at did NOT allow browsing around, not even on breaks. And arrogant... arrogance is assuming that only Americans browse galleries, no? There -is- a world out there, you know.

L'ultima fòrza è nella morte.

Just because the offices YOU have been at does not mean that ALL offices are the same. I do know there is a world out there- I am American by choice not by birth. If this is to be a learning site about art then i should be able to bring my children/co workers/associates etc here here without fear of emabrassing them, exposing them to that which they may not want to see etc etc. At the same time i should be able to filter out what i do not want children/co workers/associates/peers etc to see- which at this point is not possible.

I look at the galleries with my children as I would love for them to get interested in art..they love it. Im building computers for my kids right now because they 'want to draw pretty pictures like they see on 'Rosity.. But even my youngest at 9 yrs old, will cover her eyes at the sight of a partialy clad woman ~by partialy I mean stars over the nipples~ real or not spread eagle on a banner ad. To tell me not to browse this site until my children are elsewhere is insulting.. That makes me feel as tho I have to sneak around like some teenager tryin to get a look at Dad's girly books before he comes home.. All we asked was for the nudity filters to be put on the BANNER ADS and MARKET PLACE items so we dont have to look at it.. NOT remove the nudity from the site. Im sure alot of people would literally die without their daily dose of 'Rosity nudity, and I wouldnt want any deaths to occur What I dont understand is people that are fighting against the blasted filters..As long as those who want to see nudity can still see it, and can feast their eyes on it to hearts content, why put up such a fuss over those who wish to look at other things..SHEESH!! Regardless, Spike has commented in another thread that this point would be brought to the attention of the admins as it was a good idea to be thought about.. I feel that we will get what we asked for in time, so no worries.. ;) ~J ~Jani :)

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Snicker Guess I could'nt decide how to sign my name on that last one...ARRGGGHH!! Edit Buttons!! We def. need edit buttons! {BG} New topic?? ~me :)

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new topic- a " are you sure you want to delete this post" warning before deleting a post" button :) and an edit function LOL

~LOL~ I hear ya.. I know we have a 'preview post' button, but I usually preview it before I hit that 'post reply' button..an edit button would be wonderful :) ~pssstt...Spike... hint, hint {BG} ~J

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I've noticed lately that some banner ads are pushing it. There's no doubt about that.

As far as browsing while at work, I'm the boss. I can. :) And it's like a second home to me so I have my computer set up and get online when it's not busy. With 11 hour days it's not hard to find some down time.

And as for nudity on the site, it doesn't matter what your opinion of it is, if you even so much as suggest that people flag their images for nudity people will lable you a "prude" or "prig" without so much as an attempt at seeing your point of view. They are so sure you're out to take away their nudity when all you want is for people to use a filter that is built in to the site anyway AS A WARNING.

But no, they don't see beyond their own keyboard. :)
And then to equate this site with museums..... lol. If I laughed as loud as I'd like, I'd wake the house. :)

...... Kendra

Yup..'tis sad but true.. And the bit about comparing this site with a museum..If there was THIS kind of nudity at the museum, I wouldnt take my kids there either.. there, I have the power to stop my kids from seeing it.. here, as it is now.. I dont. ~J :)

~Jani

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