I'm having a hard time keeping track of things. But for the triangle of Doom to be complete, someone must challenge Mav, and for that to happen, I must challenge...Dreamspinner, I guess. If you've got the juice: The Essence of Man. Using any software whatsoever, with one requirement: The final product must be black and white. No color, no grayscale. Black, white. And then you get to challenge Mav, and I hope you make it hard, cuz he's making me use Carrara :-P Accept? -max