Hey - this is me again...you know, the one who has lots of opinions after he's had a few... i am having a bit of a problem with the "I'm still working on this image" postings in this forum. (I'm sure I'm gonna tick some people off with this post) - but it seems more and more that mediocre images are being shot and posted with the "I'm still working on this" statement - instead of genuine photographic skills. There are places for Photoshop - to create images that cannot be accomplished through the lens - but it seems that Photoshop has become a tool to "fix' images that were improperly composed and/or exposed to begin with. in my opinion (and i realize that an 'opionion' is exactly what it is" - Photoshop is a wonderful tool to modify and create images that could not be achieved otherwise - but it seems that Photoshop has become a tool to 'adjust" photos that should have been created in-camera to begin with. It's become a crutch and an excuse for poor technique and vision. If you are a person who shot an image and are not happy with the result and are trying to correct for it, that's fine - my gripe is with the people who look at Photoshop as part of the photographic routine - if that's the case, you are NOT a photographer - you are a GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATOR...perhaps fully capable of manipulating any image into whatever you want to create, but it takes a PHOTOGRAPHER to create it in the camera! Photoshop skills are an artform in itself - but, perhaps, Photoshop capabilities need top be posted in the Photoshop forum...?