ilona opened this issue on Feb 10, 2003 ยท 22 posts
ilona posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 11:54 AM
Well.. I had this problem before, so I bought a new HD.. after some times I started to get the same message and I can find a real solution for that! That is the case... I have a P4 2.0, 512 RAM, geforce 64MB, 80GB HD and its parted in 3... C drive has 10GB free, D drive has 22GB free and heres where poser is installed.. and E 500MB free just for backup. I am using windows 2000 Now Poser started to give me the same message all over again. To be able to render 4000 pixel images I have to defrag and free space in C and D... after 2 renders the probem starts again... There must be something I can do...but what? Oh.. I tries the curious labs fix for the page file.. now .. what? I would be thankful for any help!
evilded777 posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 12:06 PM
I hate this error. Basically, if you have done multiple renders at high resolution without restarting your computer, Poser is fighting for temp space. If you are getting this often, you need to restart your PC. Should be fine for a while after a restart, but it will come back eventually. Just remember, as long as you have that much free space, its not really a space issue. Best, e.d.
ilona posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 12:11 PM
Thank you..... I dont know what to do anymore.. even when I restard the problem persists.. I am thinking about format my computer and leave everything on C drive so I will have at least 30GB free right? But before doing it, cause its a hell of a work, I need some advice on this May this help?
rogergordian posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 12:20 PM
This question has been answered numerous times before. The error seems to only show up with Windows 2000 or Windows XP computers. Here are the solutions: 1.) Curious Labs official recommendation is to readjust your Windows swap file. 2.) My main solution was to reinstal Poser onto a different hard drive than my Windows XP hard drive. After that I rarely got that error message. When I did, it was time to defrag the hard drive. By the way, your hard drive partitions really don't allow much hard drive space when you consider that Poser graphics can consume large amounts of space. You're better off having one hard drive with one partition. Just to give you a contrast, I have a 30GB hard drive that has Poser 4, and miscellaneous Poser-related files. I only have 8GB free, and it is time to move some stuff to CD disks and free up some space.
ilona posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 12:33 PM
So Roger.. if I add another 40GB HD together with this 80 GB here and, install poser alone in the 40GB which will leave me at least 20GB free , do you think it will help? I will then have the 80 GB hard drive just with windows and backup files that will use around 40GB of space, I am exagerating.. I will still have 40GB free in the C drive may it help? or.. just leave the 80 GB for everything what will give me 30GB free in all I heard that 2 hard drives together may slow the machine...
queri posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 12:44 PM
You can try this-- it's the memory fix from Curious Labs. I used it and it worked on any drive. Ron, um, excuse me, Roger doesn't trust it, but I've used it three times and it's a life saver. Emily Poser 4 Poser can't render high resolution images. Error appears "Insufficient disk space to render" After some intense investigation we believe we have a work around. It turns out that Windows NT 4, 2000 and Windows XP must be using some space for the pagefile.sys file on the same partition that Poser is installed, to render large images. The pagefile.sys is the virtual memory or temp space for Windows. An approximate minimum would 10 MB. This amount might have to be increased for more complex scenes and animations. The maximum should be 10 MB or greater. To modify the Virtual Memory: Windows NT 4 = Right Click my computer. Click the performance tab. Click change. Click the drive Poser is installed on. Enter 10 in the Initial size field. Enter 10 or more in the maximum size field. Click set. Click OK. Click OK. Click OK. You may have to restart the System. Windows 2000 = Right click My computer. Select the Advanced tab. Click Performance option. Click Change. Select the drive Poser is installed on. Enter 10 in the Initial size field. Enter 10 or more in the maximum size field. Click set. Click OK. Click OK. Click OK. You may have to restart the System. Windows XP = Click Start. Right Click My Computer in the menu. Select Properties. Select the Advanced tab. Click Settings, next to Performance. Select the advanced tab. Click Change. Select the drive Poser is installed on. Click the Custom size button. Enter 10 in the Initial size field. Enter 10 or more in the maximum size field. Click set. Click OK. Click OK. Click OK. You may have to restart the System. Poser will now be able to render up to its maximum size of 4090 pixels x 4090 pixels @ any resolution
ilona posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 12:51 PM
I tried that either, just in case and I still have the problem... well... I guess that the problem is space cause today it is rendering.. so I may be at the limit poser needs... I dont know! I will try to format the 80GB drive with no partitions and add a 40GB too.. and will try at first to install poser at the 80GB together with windows... if it doesnt help I will move it to the 40GB alone.. what do you guys think? Thank you so much.. you are helping a lot!
evilded777 posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 1:13 PM
Ilona, you will not be able to format a partition larger than 32GB on Win2K.... Having two hard drives will not slow down your machine; access to one of them might be slower depending on the speed of the two drives. Your swap file or pagefile should have a minimum size that is at least equivalent to your physical ram and no larger than 1.5 to 2 times the amount of physical ram you have. With nt4, 2k and xp, you can split your pagefile across partitions/drives, so the total should add up to those numbers. e.d. ps I am on XP, have plenty of free space, plenty of pagefile space, and I still get this error... usually on a scence with mutliple millenium figures, lots of lights, big props...
queri posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 1:17 PM
If you do move it, by all means use the memory fix as it works exceptionally well for auxiliary drives. Actually, I think that's what it was designed for, so Poser wouldnt' still be trying to render on C. As long as I have about 16Gs available, I feel safe-- and isn't that stupid? However, I have a 26G runtime so maybe not that dumb. Keep posting, we'll figure something out. I know I got some renders done by upping the screen ratio and making the render window as big as it could be. The problem only occurs in rendering outside the display window-- to the best of my knowledge. That action seems to be slightly unstable in all versions of Poser. Emily
SamTherapy posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 1:54 PM
Queri - I noticed that Poser starts misbehaving when I get below 15GB. I bought a new 120GB HD last week, just for Poser. Sad, huh?
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rogergordian posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 1:59 PM
I installed Poser on its own 30GB hard drive (one partition), and the Insufficient Disk Space error almost totally disappeared. On the rare times it appeared, a defrag did the trick. I never messed with resetting virtual memory. I see no need to do so in the future. The trouble with making multiple partitions for a hard drive is that too often you run out of space in one partition or another.
ilona posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 2:12 PM
yep... when I get this problem I defrag.. and it takes a looong time on a 80GB HD, and I still have to delete something.. nothing much, but still something... and its terrible cause sometimes you dont have the time to do that or what to delete! So I think I will put everything on the same drive.. do all the above! whatever the case.. I will still have 30GB free... If it doesnt help I will try he hammer therapy! As I am a victim with all kinds of problems.. if it works here it will work anywhere and I will let you guys know.. Tomorrow I will have if formated, so everybody cross your fingers and toes... and again.. as queri said.. only happens in a new window... but.. I did nothin since yesterday and today it was rendering.. so it may be the temp as someone mentioned... so I need more temp space right? which means more HD space.. so 30GB would at least help???
SamTherapy posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 2:28 PM
Hammer therapy? That's my patented method. :)
Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.
narsil posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 2:47 PM
I got round this by giving having having a fixed virtual memory (just give the same value in the minimum box as in the maximum box in the instructions above - this gives poser a more recognisable chunk of memory to use ) Defrag the disk before you set up the virtual disk(!) and clear out all the temp files that have accrued. you have to have admin rights and unhide the hidden folders to do this for the following folder -OS drive:/documents and settings/ admin (or user name)/local settings/temp - look in that directory delete every thing and see if that clears things up enjoy! P PS in the animation studio I used to work in we used to have a foam hammer that we used to pound our monitors with if we were frustrated - we called it the bit cruncher :-)
queri posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 3:05 PM
Yes, Narsil, I did that too-- is there any optimum number, I just picked 100. And now I have access to the space. My disk cleaner regularly clears my temp files. And, yeah, SamTherapy, I mentioned 16G because it seemed to be the limit. Very sad indeed. It can't actually be using 16Gs to render. I think Windows only allows it 4Gs. But if it drops below that 16, get out the cd burner, start moving files. Emily
zukeprime posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 6:02 PM
Ilona, if you have WinXP, just do a 'disk cleanup.' It's under Start-->All Programs-->Accessories-->System Tools-->Disk Cleanup. It basically cleans out everything temporary on your hard drive. I've seen 70-100Mb on some disk cleanups. If I get the error, I just minimize Poser and run disk cleanup. When it's done, I can render just fine. Keep in mind, the previous suggestions are good ones to try...but I've found through many years of 'tinkering' that the KISS principle applies, or you'll be pulling your hair out trying to figure out why that OTHER program won't work now.
ilona posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 8:18 PM
As far as I could understand.. and sorry if I didnt... you can do anything.. but leave at least 16GB free right??? oh boy!... ps.. you all liked the hammer therapy hehehehehe thank you all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
queri posted Mon, 10 February 2003 at 9:53 PM
The hammer therapy beats heck out of Throw it Across the Room therapy. Or Beat Head with Keyboard Therapy. Or Drive Car over Mouse. Yeah, at least 16G free. Emily
RNKarenER posted Tue, 11 February 2003 at 12:07 AM
I am considering buying more RAM just because poser takes so much to render at higher resolutions. Any thoughts??? I have windows XP with 512 of RAm and an 80 gig hard drive, but I still get that message at times...... very frustrating...
queri posted Tue, 11 February 2003 at 1:34 AM
You are certainly better off with a gig-- I got two for my second puter because we never know what the future may hold, But I have my doubts that the system can access all of it. I do know on XP when I raised my ram from 385 to 1 gig, you would have thought I got a shot of adrenalin. iT made a real tangible difference. I was losing renders because the textures were too much, even 3000 by 3000 which isn't unreasonable wouldn't render when I'd added some quality props. 4000 by 4000 wouldn't render at all. So, yeah, if you can afford it, get the gig. Emily
RNKarenER posted Tue, 11 February 2003 at 9:59 PM
That answered my question Emily! Next pay day, I am off to get more RAM! Thanks!
rogergordian posted Wed, 12 February 2003 at 5:55 AM
Attached Link: http://www.crucial.com/
You might want to check the Crucial web site. They had the best prices on memory the last two times I bought it. Heck, the last time they gave me Next Day delivery for free! I was impressed.