Okay, I get it. Vue and Bryce aren't really modelers. They are more... I don't know, but I understand that they are scene creaters and render processors, or however you want to say it. Yes, you can model some things in Vue and Bryce, but not highly complex things. So, what do I use to model highly complex things? I need to model, for a project I'm on, Big Ben and Parliment. What should I use? I'm on a Mac, I have Animation Master, but that doesn't seem to be the best choice since I don't think it transitions smoothly to Vue. (Patch models versus Polygon Models.) Any other suggestions that don't break the bank? Thanks! Michael.