Hello all, I can't for the life of me figure out how to get V2 or V3's wrists to bend to accomplish something like the attached image. I have this idea for a DOF render and that was spawned from the "Princes Bride" when Wesley said "Drop your sword." Every time I try and bend the wrist to accomplish this pose, I get horrid deformations at the wrist and the fore arm. Has anyone tried this before? If so, are you willing to share you secrets? :) Thanks ~ brent ~ P.S. I know thats Inigo but I couldnt find the shot of Wesley:)

Havent looked yet.. but off the point on my head. it looks like it pointing at you. then i assume ? that twisting the forearm / then/ the wrist to match flat like .. or the deafault pose ..arms out to side... pull them to the front like a zombie then twist the forearm flat and match the wrist cause the anomally ?

lets see what the horrid deformation looks like...

I just gave it a shot and couldn't get it quite right either. When I got the thumb correct, the fingers were off angle for properly gripping the hilt. IMHO, to get that really right would require an additional joint to cup the palm of the hand that Poser figures do not have.

How close is this to what you're wanting?

uh, the hilt would be in line with the index finger and the rest of the fingers would be grasping nothing? With a foil or ep, the hilt would align parallel with the extended thumb, and be pinched with the second joint of the index finger, with the rest of the fingers cupped around it. (IIRC from those fencing classes in college so very long ago)

The finger extended along the top of the blade is a standard variation of the 'curving' the index finger around the front of the hilt, considered the 'starting' grip for the other position. And yes, maybe the fingers are grasping 'nothing' but I was showing that's about as close as the hands seem to want to go. It's as close as I can get from playing around with one of my swept-hilt rapiers and trying to duplicate the grip. Of course... you could always use a bell-hilt and solve the entire problem 8-P If you can't see it, it ain't there, right? And yes, the hilt/blade is in line with the index finger using that type of sword, since that's the logical extension of the arm. I won't argue with how you were taught, but I can agree to disagree.

Awesome, I didn't even think about doing it that way. I was trying to mimic something a little more drastic with the wrist, which by the way, with Limits on you can do anyway:) I think I'll have to use the bell-hilt as you suggested. There are always solutions out there, isn't there:) Thanks for getting me pointed in the right direction. ~ brent ~

Hadn't thought about this in years. Seems the grip I was referring to is (with a little web searching) for a traditional French grip. It was this particular grip that was difficult to achieve with poser, but there are indeed many others.

ref pic from:
http://www.lancs.ac.uk/socs/fencing/fenbas.htm

I'd say...bend the hand at the wrist to the side...where thumb is away from wrist....then bend index (side-to-side)finger back towards the thumb. worth a shot I guess...

Not that I can contribute anything to this thread, and it is interesting (I know nothing about fencing and wish I did), his name is Westley, not Wesley :)

D'oh! Westley. Nance, that is exactly the pose trying for in your last post. Something you said about the additional joint in the palm was something I hadn't thought about before. After I read your post I picked up my sword and studied my hand a little more (ok a lot more:)) and I saw exactly what you meant. I was trying to accomplish this by going over board on the side-side of the wrist and that's where I was running into the problem. I'll have to check out that web site to get a couple more ideas on some hand poses. Up until now, I hadn't realized how difficult posing the hand could be:) Thanks again for the wonderful input! I'm off to break some wrists again:) ~ brent ~

Attached Link: http://www.3dmenagerie.com/

heyas; try my grip hand poses; one is a power grip, and one is a dex grip. the dex grip angles the fingers so the gripped object lines up better with the forearm. try it yourself: grab (or pretend to grab) a hammer to hammer some nails. you hold the hammer perpendicular to your arm. you can't side-side your hand 90 degrees to get it to point along with the forearm. now grab (or pretend) a screwdriver to drive some screws. you can point the screwdriver more parallel to your forearm by a little side-side and doing a progression on the fingers... aw, just go download the grips! :)

Excellent! Thanks bloodsong:)