Okay, I made a prop in Cinema, imported it into Poser 4, with a lot of help, mostly from maclean (thank you) made a phi file to go with my new obj file and now have a wonderful invisible prop. It has a picture in the library, I can apparently move it around the place, I just can't see it. What on earth have I done wrong? Shanna, considering tearing her hair out, but actually still having fun. :-)