i need to find a "nautilus shaped" solid object that i can render as wireframe in poser. ulitmately like to be able to render as solid too but not as necessary. i have searched the web for available objects but to no avail. can anyone help. willing to pay for a suitable object. the nautilus is a consistently proportioned spiral. refer to: http://www.sacredarch.com/sacred_geo_exer_shell.htm mike