i am not understanding the locking of the thread a bit down, by minuteman. threads get locked for warez. threads get locked for personal bashing. threads can get locked, or, even deleted, for bashing poser five. threads get moved, if they are considered a non poser learning experience for the community at large. i read that thread, and, i saw nothing reprehensible enough for it to be locked, and, locked quickly. granted, it could have spurred some interesting "debate" about the merits of poser, and what folks can do with it. but, what is wrong with debate? it can be part of the "learning" process? pop...pop....Poppi!!!