You may see genres listed within the galleries. We are currently working on these. thanks tammy

Asking all members who have images in the gallery to please edit your images by going to your thumbs and clicking edit.... please select the genre that best fits each image. This will populate the genre sections for all to view. We still have some areas within the gallery to change, but this should not interfer with your editing. thanks tammy

Can a whats new be added to the drop downs. I visit daily and with whats new, it gives me a look at all generes that been posted overnight in the various gallerys. I Miss the way it was. :o( I am sure what is being done is for best interest of Renderosity and it's members.

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What is "household" as a genre???

You can still see "what's new"...it's the hyperlink beside Sort by. You can also apply a software and/or category and then ask for "what's new". No drop down is needed for that.

What about animals that aren't pets???? Where do they go???

we used the genres associated with the homepage selection and will be better organizing the genres in a few. still working on this so by the end of the day...we should have these taken care of. thanks tammy

Thanks. I guess I'm a little cranky because I am going to have trouble putting most of my graphics in genre categories to begin with. I do appreciate the effort.

And where do the Faeries go? I don't like to see my lil faeries be buried under NVITWS.

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Yeah, it is something members wanted but at the same time the gallery is so big that there is some work on part of the member to get those images in those genres. so if you have a large gallery, i guess it will feel like work. if only i could wiggle my nose and place all the images in the appropriate places. :) dialyn, what genres need to be added so that your images would apply?

Yup, think ANIMALS fits better than PETS. ;) Otherwise, Wild animals go in NATURE, which could be anything...?

ok, changed pets to animals. thanks tammy

Cool! Thanks Tammy!

no extra clicks needed other than choosing the topic or genre.

in order to keep all the areas that we currently have the word topic is used in place of software. also we added a hobbyist topic since this was being requested in community improvement. thanks tammy

Could I maybe beg for a "Celebrities" and/or "Nautical" section. You had nautical in there, but you pulled it. I have 3 images that don't really fit any other theme.

Maybe some definition of the categories might help keep things set. I started to put some of my children's art under children only to find it next to a guy holding a dead child in his hands (which I have nothing against the image at all, just not sure what the category means I guess), so they got moved to film since they are mostly from animated films.

Thanks for the genre categories. They are really cool BTW...

I'm doing my happy dance about the hobbyist category. I need some time but I'm moving all my graphics there. I just hope people use it so it stays around. It is a nice in between place between the beginner and the advanced software galleries for those of us who are beyond beginner but not technically or artistically advanced. Happy, happy, happy.

ok, i added nautical. not sure about celebrities...let me check on this for any copyright issues. added Faeries. we will be combining children with people. not sure about household will ask. thanks tammy

I see your point there Tammy about celebrities. Maybe just add TV to Film and that would cover it.

Amd maybe a Music category for people who do images for CD covers, pictures of bands or the music industry in general (a render of a blues singer comes to mind most recently).

ok, getting Film renamed to Film/TV. added music. don't want to add too many more genres until we have members moving them and seeing what it looks like. thinking household should be interior. renaming this. thanks tammy

I'm sure as people use the categories and think more about how their graphics fit here and there that you'll be able to refine them. This is a nice step forward ... may help people find graphics that they want to look at instead of having to weed through so many that they have no interest in. I'm really glad to see it. :)

thanks.

Dear Tammy, just a question and not a nag! I have just graded 24 images from my gallery but only 6 are showing up in the selection process. Roughly how long should the updating take before I think about trying again? It was a tough call figuring out where my work stood in the scheme of things so thanks for an interesting hour! I agree with dialyn, it is a very useful new set of options. Regards. Brendan.

Brendan, They are probably showing up in all that was selected. Remember the what's new displays the last 30 days only. If you go to the appropriate areas... Topic 2D and Genre Illustration.. you will not see this in the what's new but will see this in all the other sorting options. There is no update lag...it should move them when you select the genre and save it. thanks tammy

Thanks for the Faeries :-)

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I always suspected I was the slow one! and here is the proof. Many thanks Tammy. Brendan.

welcome puntomaus. brendan - your not slow... we are ... but we are working on this. : )

Would it be possible to allow multiple choices for the categories both for viewing and uploading? Maybe a list of the categories with checkboxes that one could check on and off. This would enable us to view multiple categories at the same time. Also, if somebody feels that his/her image would not neatly fit inside one category, then all the categories that would apply to the image could be checked. The categories will be very useful for filtering out images one is not interested in; thank you. Sue

I'm surprised that nobody seems to have much of a problem with this change. Many of my images don't fit into any one "genre," nor did I have such a narrow conception in mind when creating them. It's my impression that most members don't visit the Community Improvement forum. I visit Renderosity approx. 6 days a week and don't remember seeing any mention of this change in any of the forums I do visit, including this one (sorry if I'm wrong about that...I missed it if discussion did take place here.) Well, I'll give it my best shot and not complain overmuch, since I'm pro-Renderosity and appreciate the hosting of our images. Expecting them to fall into line with "genres" invented by someone else strikes me as absurd, though.

We will be working more on our search feature soon. At this time, we have decided to have one topic/genre with one image. The volume of the gallery presents a unique situation if we allow multiple selections for each image. Our goal was to release genres since our members have been requesting this for some time and see how this works going forward. thanks tammy

You don't have to choose a genre. You could just choose a gallery. Some people wanted a genre so they could avoid viewing graphics they had no interest in. If you only want to see fantasy art, this way you can move directly to that section. I do agree that it is difficult to find one genre for all graphics but I see this as the first step and, with any luck, there will be further refinements as time goes on. I like Sue's idea very much.

Sorry, cross posted with Tammy.

One category that I haven't seen suggested is "Portrait"; there are tons of images that would fit into this category. Apologies if it's been mentioned and I missed it.

An alternative to "Portrait" could be "Characters" or "Figure studies"...

xoconostle - we have received a lot of feedback on desiring genres. i alerted everyone that is was coming .. i think i said within a week in the gallery update thread. it is not mandatory to select a genre when uploading an image...that is really up to you if you want it listed in a genre or not. : )

BTW: Despite the potential diffuculty that many will have trying to shoehorn a render into one-and-only-one genre, I think it's a great idea.

Figure Studies has been added.

I like the improvement but I'd really like to be able to classifiy things under more than one genre. Lots of my stuff belongs in both humor and sci-fi for example.

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Portraits are different than Figure Studies actually. Portraits are head/shoulder shots generally (most of which are clothed) while Figure Studies are for full body artistic nudes. While I don't have anything against nudes, I really don't think that these should be grouped together.

I'm a little concerned with the Fantasy category's current trend. It seems as though most of the images placed there today are far more pinup, than Fantasy (if you consider fantasy to be fantastical creatures/circumstances and not male fantasy). I also noticed that the Science Fiction category has been able to hold topic. So I was wondering if we can get a Mythical Creature category that would at least allow artists that deal strictly in the magical side of the fantasy world, rather than the sexual side, to have a place to put their images. And yes, I realize that it would include demonesses and mermaids, but at least they would be on topic in such a category. Again, it's not the nudity, it's the subject...

PS: This is not hypocritical of what I said before in the thread about the initial request for groups. I have no fault with a pinup that at least has a mythical creature, takes place in a mythical world, etc, but most of the ones posted in fantasy today don't even seem to have this qualification.

ok, i added portraits and removed figure studies because this could go under people at this time. thanks tammy

This is a feature that I appreciate enormously, thanks for adding it. Not quite sure though if photography should be a genre, it's already listed as a topic.

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thanks roobol we are looking into the photography listing as well. :)

Any word on Mythical Creatures?

Thanks by the way for really listening to everyone's suggestions...It's good to see the community work together...

can i just list this as creatures?

maybe Myths would be better.... looking at the genres... creatures could fit in scifi, horror, humour, space etc...

That's kinda why I liked Mythical Creatures, because it keeps to the fantasy genre, but given a choice I'd rather see Creatures. Fantasy/Sci-Fi/Horror kinda share the same genre a bit, so I think Creatures would cover it better. Myth could be misconstrued as Gods and Goddesses which would bring us back to the reason for the extra category.

Tammy - I don't envy you your job sorting through all these categories. Too bad it's not as easy as "people, places, and things," but life is never that simple.

I have one that I don't think is listed, medieval Which I think would be different than historical? :) ladynimue

ok, have added those. taking a break. the genres are getting lengthy. :)

I'd like to see a gallery called "Pure Poser" for those of us who prefer the challenge of working strictly within Poser for renders without postwork. If not a complete gallery, at least a genre would help, as all of my images could go there. As for Genres, add my vote to these: Sci-Fi - Fantasy Sci-Fi - Techno Sci-Fi - People Sci-Fi - Aliens Fantasy - People Fantasy - Creatures Fantasy - Environments Fantasy - Medieval Fantasy - Combat Period - Egyptian Period - Greek Period - Roman Period - Samurai

Thank you very much for listening to people and acting so fast! On the comment for multiple genres, I think it would be nice, but has to be limited some way, because if not, anyone could just list the image in all categories, which will make this great feature useless. For example, three genres the most. It feels really good to know members are heard! Thank you!

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I think we can get subject happy...we can't have a subject heading for everybody's whims or you'll end up with a giant list that's impossible to sort through. I'm sorry, Ron, but you can post to the Poser gallery without indicating a genry....a "Pure Poser" genre would be a redundancy that would lead to each software wanting a "Pure" listing and a long menu with no good purpose. The rest of the listings you suggested seem to be finetuning too much...you will end up with galleries with one picture in them. I hope we use some common sense in requesting categories or the whole thing will collapse under the weight of excess demands. My viewpoint, as always. If we searched by keywords, your suggestions would make sense, but as it is, I just think it goes a little too far.

At this time we will not have multiple genres such as listed above it would be too many genres for this beginning stage. thanks for your feedback tammy

Dialyn - FYI there already ARE Bryce, Photoshop and other galleries, but seems that folks would rather be in the Poser gallery even if they really should be in "Mixed Media" or something else. I for one am tired of wading though heavily postworked images, bryce renders, vue renders, etc. when what I want is to see what real POSER artists can do. So since the Poser gallery has been overrun by non-Poser stuff, I think a "Pure Poser" category is badly needed, because not everybody thinks alike, and there is room for all - so why put down anybody who doesn't think like you?

ron, gallery topics (Poser, etc.) are created based on member interest. if you take into the community improvement forum and get a good response for a pure poser gallery, then we would consider it. thanks tammy

I'm not putting you down. I was just offering my view. I said it was my opinion and my opinion alone. I rather expect no one to agree with me...that's okay. I admire the fact that you can create something worthwhile using only Poser. But I think if there is a Pure Poser genre, then each and every other software should also have a Pure choice because often Vue and Bryce are used in combination with other software. The would be fair and equitable. It also would get to be cumbersome. No insult there. Just equity. And disagreeing with you doesn't mean I'm putting you down. I respect your sincerity. I just don't see it is necessary. That's all. My opinion.

I have updated some pictures and have discovered that they doesn't appear under the respective gender, Why?, because they are older than 30 days, so is nonsense to update older pictures, so I updated only my 4 newest pictures.

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Thanks Tammy - I just didn't know the proper place to make the request. I admit it is a very tough job to create categories for images that will cover all situations. I've written several database utilities and run across the same problem no matter whether it was categorizing music CDs or Films or Video clips - there are no easy answers - and I usually end up with a dual category system - a Main category (very broad groups) and then a sub category. I know that is not feasable here, but I appreciate all your efforts to be as accommodating as possible.

And this one, in which gender fits????

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I'd put it in humor, myself...but I'm weird that way. ;)

Animal porn? Oh wait, that's not a category yet... :) I would think animals, humor, pinups or glamour, depending on the audience you want to attract. Probably the first two though are better choices admittedly. dialyn, I thought I was the only weird one...

kawecki,
While it's true they won't show up in any gender under the 30 days deal, they will show up in the other Sort By categories, so you may want to still consider entering those into a genre.

I hadn't thought of pinups or glamour...It is a very pretty p...uh, kitty. :)

Thanks TammyC for your response. I went ahead and catagorized my images. Frankly it wasn't so bad after all.

ron,
I don't think it would be a bad idea to flag pure [insert renderer here] but I don't think all those images should be in a Pure [insert renderer here] gallery. The problem is that every category has that same issue, not just poser. If you did as you mentioned and everyone who used postwork posted to Mixed Media, I'd venture to say 3/4 of the gallery if not more would wind up in Mixed Media. Then you'd have Mixed Media and Other. Course I guess that would simplify things (grin). Maybe a flag like nudity would be something for the admins to consider. Otherwise, I think it should be left the way it is. Besides, is there really that many true 100% Poser images?? I have been guilty of what you are talking about, but usually only post in Poser when I think it is the heart of the image's creation, rather than just a small part and most of the time I do post in Mixed Media.

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PS Ron, I was very impressed with what you can do straight out of Poser...Kudos. Great images...

I don't do any kind of postwork, once rendered the picture remains as it is. I don't put any restriction to the rendering engine that I can use, but almost all my work was rendered with Poser 4.

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Thanks ShadowWind - That is all old stuff and not that good compared to what I am doing now with Poser 5. I just don't post anymore because I don't feel that my work is appreciated for what it is, or that others with my similar interest can find it even if they wanted to. Poser is a really great tool that only about 10% of the people here actually know how to use properly. The rest just bad-mouth it (to the point of putting CL out of business) because they are too lazy to learn to use it properly. They would rather rough-out a scene in Poser then carry it to Bryce, Vue, Photoshop for completion. Thats all fine, but please don't call it Poser work - it may be art... it may be GREAT art... but it isn't Poser Art. I find it so strange that this whole community, galleries, forums, marketplace.. all of it is focused on Poser, yet NOWHERE can you go to find exclusive images representative of what Poser can do. Maybe if we had such a place, more people would be inspired to learn more about Poser, and might spend more time sharing that knowledge and less time berating an artist for his choice of tool. As far as the argument for "Pure Bryce" or "Pure Vue" - I don't see why they would want it, they ALREADY HAVE the Poser gallery to call their own.

I posted images tonight and nearly went nuts trying to find the right genre. I think you have too many. Some can be consolidated. Examples: the Faeries genre could just as easily fall under Fantasy and Pinups could fall under Glamour. Just adding my 2 cents.

I went through my gallery, and assigned all my pics to their appropriate genre and program. However, they do not show up under the genres!!! help?

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Does this mean I have to upload all 56 images (again) in my gallery just to fit it into a genre?

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Zhann go to your gallery each of your thumbnails has an edit button. You can choose your genre there. You don't have to upload the images again.

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Tammy and the folks, thanks for this improvement. I was a bit doubtful but, having played with it, I reckon it's going to work out great. Editing my pics, it was much easier than I expected to figure out what goes where, too. Great work and impressively responsive :-)

I would love a "Pure Poser" too. I usually leave my renders as pure poser, unless I specifically want a post work effect. When I first started posting here, I thought you HAD to use ONLY Poser in the Poser gallery L Well I soon found out this wasn't the case. Then I posted 2 identical images in 2 different forums, and the one in the Bryce Forum got virtually NO hits compared to the one in the Poser forum. Guess where I am posting? ;o) Point is, people post in the Poser forum as soon as there's a hint of a Poser thing on the picture, becourse it's the forum that is viewed the most. But it does NOT show what you can really do with Poser and the necessary skill (which I do NOT claim to have btw) Couldn't there just be a "Pure" category. I mean, you are allready sorting pictures by the app used, so a "pure" category could be used for both pure Poser, pure Bryce, pure Vue and so on images without them necessarily being mixed among each other. Just sort on BOTH Software AND genre, and you would get pure images from whatever app you chose :o) phew, this was more than 2...make that 5 cents from me.

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I just noticed that there isn't a category for generic objects... I don't want to add another category, but where can one put a camera, a cuckoo clock, a chessboard, a bottle or a tyre...? I'm not an artist, I'm a modeller, and I suppose I'm not the only one...

Couldn't there just be a "Pure" category. I mean, you are allready sorting pictures by the app used, so a "pure" category could be used for both pure Poser, pure Bryce, pure Vue and so on images without them necessarily being mixed among each other. Just sort on BOTH Software AND genre, and you would get pure images from whatever app you chose :o)==============>that makes a lot of sense, ernyoka1. I have to admit, the reason this seemed less important to me is that I only render in Poser, having nothing else to render in, so the purity aspect didn't strike me as particularly unusual (personal bias enters into these things), but it clearly is important to part of the community. People may prefer to categorize on purity of software use rather than a general theme when it that is an important issue to them.

Frankly, I'm having a terrible time with the genres. A lot of my graphics are Scenes...little dramatic pieces. Not still lifes. Not landscapes. Not figures studies. What genre is there for that???

jgeorge has a point too...the models he describes don't fit in the existing categories.

I still see this as an ongoing process. They had to start somewhere. Now that the start has been made, refinements can be made. The administrators might want to take a look and see what subject headings aren't being used and reevaluate their need or if the naming is causing a confusion (What is household?? What is environment? What is macro? Should we have landscape?) A list of definitions of some of these areas might help. Or not. Since we are assigning ourselves to the genres, it's always going to be hit or miss in consistency.

But I'm saving the rest of my sorting for the weekend when my headache goes away.

Lots to think about. I'm glad I'm not in charge of sorting all this out.

P.S. Since we are talking about potential genres, here's another one for the list. I don't know whether or not the writers can get their own gallery but, if not, what about a "story" or some such genre for people who combine graphics with prose or poetry, or for graphics that tell a story.

1. the genres are still too limited in range overall I feel and we most definitely need to be able to select more than one genre option. 2. - and more importantly On a dialup connection this is going to take ages - not withstanding should I be using my newer laptop with the 56 modem...gawd help me on the 33 modem'd dekstop PC I have! Renderosity has been running very slow of late as a whole and has a bad case of the red-x's in the galleries at present. This happens even at work where I have access to an ADSL line so it's not just my crappy computers at home. The rendo' site doesn't load properly, simple as that. The edit/upload function should take you directly to your personal gallery not the main gallery (such as digital comics in my case). This is because if I were to be setting the genre's and editing everyone of my images I have to then ctrl-v the gallery URL again in the browser and have it reload everything in order to do the next image. So far I have genred 3 images and already it's a major pain in the butt to do this. So I for one have decided not to continue with the genre feature for old images but will do so for new stuff from now on -maybe. cheers Sean

It would be nice for the edit function to return to our gallery page. Save alot of time there. Cant speak for the other stuff. Some days the site is VERY slow, and some days it isn't. (DSL)

The physical process of editing the images presents no problem, this is an opportunity for individual artists to evaluate and categorise their work into genre if they wish to, there is not compulsion to do so. "I find it so strange that this whole community, galleries, forums, marketplace.. all of it is focused on Poser,....." Patently not true unless one only sees Renderosity as a Poser site? which I do not! there are plenty of people here that would not touch Poser with a barge pole. "As far as the argument for "Pure Bryce" or "Pure Vue" - I don't see why they would want it, they ALREADY HAVE the Poser gallery to call their own." This statement is insulting to artists that do produce images specific to he software they use and post in the designated gallery for that software. Half of my work could be placed into a Pure Bryce gallery and shocking though it may seem, I have no interest in infiltrating the Poser gallery for any reason whatsoever. The main question is do we wish to direct / lead viewers to an image that speaks for itself as a tangible production of our creative vision or a technical exercise on how clever we are at using a bit of software? This new facility will help most folks navigate their way to what interests them. I could come up with many reasons why I don't get more viewing of and more understanding as to how I create my work. Ultimately it is about the knowledge of the viewer, not the systems of classification. I reiterate my feeling that this is a good move for the community at large, especially for non posting visitors and newcomer's. It will always be in a general sense that any work can be put into a category but as no two artists are the same no amount of sub-division of genre will lead everyone to my doorstep. Nice work team! I am sure this facility will evolve into a indispensable tool for all that visit. A small rider as I am now many posts behind... I do think that Modelling would be a legitimate genre, there are many fine and instructive images posted of objects that are complete in themselves as studies in the creation of models.

Sorry, but I have another 2 cents to add. Personally, I think the galleries were working fine as they were. If it wasn't broken, why fix it? Most artwork can easily fall under many catagories, not just one. Do we then post an image under each genre it falls under? It doesn't make much sense to have to micro-catagorize your images in an open gallery like this.

Hi there! dialyn. "I don't know whether or not the writers can get their own gallery but, if not, what about a "story" or some such genre for people who combine graphics with prose or poetry, or for graphics that tell a story." So far I have classified postings like this under Illustration I am hard pressed to think of any other description, unless it could be called * Narrative Art*?, though I have a feeling that won't go down to well either! When you get a new thinking cap can I have the old one? it is something I really covet! Cheers!

One more thing! The last posting in my gallery was on the 10th. After a week viewing tends to fade out. There has been a small surge in the viewing numbers since I categorised my images yesterday. I wonder why?

What goes into the "Macro" category? And you left out an obvious category: "Political". You have a "Flowers/ Plants" category, but two separate categories for "Animals" and "Creatures". Why not combine the two to become "Animals/ Creatures"? And if I wanted to do a funny Star Trek picture, would that be "humor", "science fiction" or "film"? I would like to be able to select mutliple categories, so when people do a search for either science fiction or humor, they see my picture.

I just found another 2 cents in my pocket, sorry, but I think this is a good one! After thinking about it one more time, the genres are o.k. IF all artwork is treated as artwork. What I mean is no more Poser gallery, no more Bryce gallery, etc.. but just one big art gallery divided by the generes. Perhaps a dropdown tab for 'Tools Used' if you want to specify what software and/or hand tools you used. What do you all think?

A checklist of "Tools Used" might be better, since a lot of people use more than one software to create their graphics. On the other hand, a lot of people seem attached to the idea of software galleries....not sure how this would go over. I like it but that's usually a bad sign.

Actually, one problem that would solve is the discontent some people have over the fact that their favorite software doesn't have a gallery of its own. Photoshop could be a choice and so could Paint Shop Pro. Wings 3D could be a choice and so could Amni8or. And whatever else would be using. You could just check one, as you say, for the "pure" Poser or Bryce or Vue user; or you could check a combination of Poser and Bryce and Paint Shop Pro (for an example) if you want to see how they can be used in combination. It would be most cool. Nice idea, Remo. But is it too complicated for the idle browsing?

Ron,
I didn't say there shouldn't be a system by which pure images shouldn't be flagged, I just don't think it should be it's own gallery because of what dialyn said about a gallery for each. I think a checkbox that could be used as a filter would solve the problem of Pure in all galleries. This way you'd get the benefit of the popularity of the Poser gallery for those that want to look at art that Poser had a hand in, as well benefitting the people who want to look at pure Poser art by itself. Having a gallery would also cause people to wind up posting pictures twice when their image got slashed on views and so it would just double the number of images, where with a flag, it wouldn't.

Just a hint Ron and you can take it for what it's worth, but lashing out at the Poser community for creating art that is not 100% Poser is not the way to garnish support for anything.

Believe me, I understand your frustration about not being appreciated sometimes for how much work goes into an image. Even though I guess I'm on the "laziness" list according to you, if you check my gallery you will see that I do a lot of handpainted from scratch images. I have to compete with the Poser gallery. I was even asked once, what texture I used on one of my painted portraits. So yeah, I get it, but also I realize that in the end, it's the image that people see, not how you got there or how well you know how to manipulate any given program.

To me though, 100% Poser is really just Dork on an untextured cube. With the exception of animation, which requires render only imagery, still images are always going to be inherently mixed media, whether prework (models, painted textures) or postwork is done on them. I would think the goal of any artist is not to show prowness in the program, but to make the best image they possibly can given the tools and skills they have to work with. That's certainly my goal. Let us also not forget that most hair models and such cost money so if someone can draw whatever hair style is appropriate rather than buying one for each, that's all the more reason to learn postwork (not to mention getting just the look you want).

I kinda resent the fact that I am called lazy because I use postwork in my images. Most of my gallery takes upward to 30-40 hours (including many of the 3D images), combining resources from several programs I have learned (not mastered I'll admit). I work as hard as anyone on my artwork, so please don't say I'm lazy because I choose, like others, not to limit my artwork to what the renderer can produce. It is what is added by my own hand that makes an image have the ShadowWind touch. I think that the Poser artists that you seem to refer to like ToxicAngel and Voodoo and others, do know the program very well, but also know that their vision would be stifled by it's limitations. Heck up until Poser 5, Poser 4 had no reflections even...

Poser has a wide berth as to the interest. For some, it's not what program rendered it, but what new texture, model, prop, figure was available in Poser. Unique poses and situations are another. People see Poser as a tool and while there are the purists, a majority looks at the image in either the art itself or the parts used in the image that they may be interested in getting themselves. And Mixed Media, despite popular opinion, is actually more intune to traditional versus digital, rather than cross 3D platforms.

So while I resent the implications you've made Ron in your comment about laziness and how a Poser artist is more qualified by only using Poser, I would support some sort of flag for "pure" images, but not a gallery...

ShadowWind

PS: You want to know something ironic, there has been numerous discussions trying to get the Poser users out of the other galleries. Go figure. Can't we all just...get along...

John,
I think Tammy said in another thread that there was going to be a search as well, but they haven't got to it yet, so this is still a work in progress for them. The gallery genre is not going to solve the chaos, but just another avenue for people to look for work they are interested in.

While Animals of course can be considered creatures, the word creature generally refers to those of the out of this world variety, monsters, mermaids, dragons, imps, trolls, goblins. Maybe the 'Mythical Creatures' title would have kept that clearer, although judging from what has been posted in Creatures, the meaning is pretty much understood. Fantasy was too broad a category because it can cover lots of different meanings (sexual, medieval, mythical) and so in answer to the trend, I suggested the Creature category for those artists that want to do fantasy creature art without getting buried by Naked Vicky in a Temple and pinups that are perhaps sensual fantasy, but not always mythical fantasy.

I agree that Glamour and Pinup should probably be one category. I don't agree that Faeries should be under the pinup/glamour category. I think there is enough interest in that part of the community to warrant it's own category. I agree on a Generic and/or Modeled object category, because many images in the Lightwave and Rhino gallery are about artists showing off their models.

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There is going to be improved search capability coming up. I'm not sure how it will relate to the galleries but I would think if it is improved for the forum, it will apply elsewhere as well.

I am one of those that kinda like the gallery to be divided by software for a couple of reasons. The galleries complement their given forums where people can get help. Also if someone posts an image in Poser, they can hope to get feedback from those that also use that same software. A big part of Rosity is the learning aspect. The other reason is that Rosity's separation of the galleries helps people learn what is new/available for a particular software. I often look through the specific galleries to see what is being done or is out for that particular software and many times have purchased because of this, so it serves as a marketing tool for Rosity to have them separated.

IMHO, I think the software galleries should not be trashed for 20/30 sofware checkboxes. Remember, by making it too hard or too specific, people won't get any views at all.

I understand. It's trying to find a solution that would satisfy more people. I've run out of ideas. Everything seems to be too complicated, or to leave someone out. I have to admit that I learn more from the forums than from the galleries. Once in awhile a person will share a technique on the galleries, but most often they just post the graphic and that's it. The forums are easier to find tutorials on. Because I'm an idiot, I can't stare at a graphic and figure out for myself what a person did...especially when they have done extensive postwork (which I admire, by the way...I am not a Poser purist). Oh well. Time for me to quit trying to come up with solutions. My brain well has run dry.

Completely agree with ShadowWind!!! Please don't discard software-specific galleries, I think they're the core of the internal traffic in R'osity.

I don't think the idea was to eliminate software-specific galleries....not really. You could still designate your graphic as Poser or Bryce or Vue or whatever. It's all just a sorting mechanisim. But if I happen to like to view Poser graphics that have been postworked...how do I sort them out from the people who don't do any postwork? I think postwork is artistic. Other people think it is cheating. How to you sort so that both groups will be happy? Can you sort so both groups will be happy? If you put the postworked Poser graphics in Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro or another 2D gallery, then those folks complain because they only want art that originates from Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro or their 2D software of choice, and they don't like Poser intruding on their artwork. So it appears that very little in the way of negotiation is possible since everyone wants something different. Or so it appears. I guess that's human nature. This is a database of graphics, when it comes down to it. So all we are doing is shuffling and reshuffling the database. Nothing is fixed to a wall. These are just suggestions so that people have different ways of viewing depending on their preferences. Fortunately I'm not in a decision making position and thank goodness I don't have to make anyone except my Lhasa Apso and two cats happy. And they are.

Thanks for the feedback. First to answer some members questions on why their images are not showing up in the what's new once they move over. If it was uploaded over 30 days ago, then it will not display within the what's new, but it will display in the other sort by areas. Trying to determine these genres...we are merging some together. Pinups is merged into Glamour Children is merged into People Film is renamed to Film/TV Nature is renamed to Nature/Landscape Environment is merged into Nature/Landscape Outer Space is renamed to Space Household renamed to Home Photography has been removed. Added: Political Story Modeling Objects thanks tammy

Thank you! This really helps.

It may be already posted, but there are so many post, and such short time...so please forgive me if I'm repeating someone. WE NEED A LANDSCAPE GENRE!...please ;o) "Enviroment" is too vague, if landscape does indeed fit into that genre; I don't know what is meant "Enviroment", although landscape works could also fit into "Nature", as could "Flowers/Plants"...and "Animals"... I need to lay down, my mind is a mess and I'm all confused ;o) Cheers

 

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What is "macro" as a genre????

I believe that someone above mentioned a "mythological" category, and I'm of the opinion that it's definitely needed, there are many who do mythological images ... my latest of Bastet for instance, does not necessarily fit into the "spiritual/religious" category, although some may argue that point, but it certainly does not belong in fantasy. This has GOT to be a very difficult list to create and refine, but I think it's a wonderful beginning and can only get better over time. Thanks!

Hmmm what about the pictures that WERE in one of the merged categories? Are they reassigned or will we have to do that by ourselves?

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bevchiron, thank you! It was doubtful I'd use it since I didn't know what it was but I was curious. I'm a budget analyst. Macro to me is something I use in spreadsheets.

Macro is a photographic genre dialyn, close up shots taken with a macro lens.

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Definitely different from what I was thinking. :)

Hmmm, wonder if we should name Macro/Close-ups? The images in a genre that were merged into another genre were automatically moved. You do not have to recategorize. :) mythology added.

Not to sound too shortsighted, but I hope now that there is a mythological section that Creatures won't be merged into it, or it will defeat the purpose that was mentioned above. just my 2c again. I think I need more change. ANyone have change for a buck?

Sorry, I'm all out of doe. <<>> Bad on me.

we had not planned on merging creatures into mythology.

Ack! I'd gotten most of my images sorted into Illustration, only to find the new Story category today. Gack. Uh. Heck with it, they'll stay put. :)

Thanks Tammy and you all are doing a great job in sorting this out...

It's definitely a cool idea. I wasted several hours this morning going through the categories, and I love being able to see all apps in a single genre.

I just read through and saw that some are looking for a 'Pure Poser' gallery. This makes no sense. That's like someone asking specifically for a 'No. 2 Pencil' gallery pecause all they use is a No. 2 pencil for drawing and tough luck to anyone using a No.2 and an HB pencil. Besides, the only 'pure' Poser image is one rendered with Poser straight out of the box. The moment you download a prop, character or texture and use it, you no longer have a 'pure' Poser. Especially since other 3D and 2D apps were used to make props and textures. In other words, mixed media. Poser is the tool you use to create an image. Do you want to showcase your image or the software? That's why I think the galleries should not be based on the software used but focus on the artwork and talent of the community. As long as we have the capability to search for the type of images we prefer, there should be no problems.

remo, that's not quite true. I get your point but I don't think it's a valid comparison. ONE of the ideas of the galleries is to show what you can do with a program. If newcomers go into the Poser gallery, they may think that all those heavily postworked Poser images were made with only Poser, and they would therefore think they had no idea of how to use the program, since their renderings didn't look that way. On the other hand, I can be amazed to see some of the pictures that are created solely INSIDE Poser. And that's the point. Not whether you have downloaded Victoria and some clothes for her or not, but whether you have RENDERED the image like that or not. I render my images in Poser, mainly becourse I'm too lazy/impatient to bring them to another program, but also becourse I like the Poser 4 renderer. Believe it or not. I DO often postwork my images to some extent, mainly in Photoshop, and for the most parts it is things like retouching a joint or altering the lights. I suck with Poser's lights. But I suck with the lights in ANY program L so rendering it somewhere else wouldn't help anyway. I am one of those who would welcome a "pure" category. Not just for Poser but a general Pure category. Use it to show what you can do INSIDE that particular program.

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This may be a silly idea, but what if the artist just wrote, "100% pure; no postwork." Or whatever. When I look at graphics, I'm looking at what interests me first and what it was done with second. But that's just me.

Dialyn, a lot of people DO that :o) But you can't use that as a search criteria, and that's the point. As well as you might want to look at only faerie pictures, you might also want to look at "pure" pictures. Ah well, no big issue. But since we ARE making wishes.... :o)

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Dialyn, Remo - even if we had a keyword search capability there would still be NO way for people to sort for Pure Poser because it includes the term Poser and would just result in a list of ALL images. I don't know why people are campaigning so hard against such a gallery. It is beginning to look like maybe they fear such a category or just don't want people to have it for some selfish reason - they have never made any sensible argument, just no, no, no because they don't want it... WHY? Why not have a category that actually helps many people find what they want to find and to exclude things they don't care to see. Does having such a category harm anybody or restrict anybody in any way? - Then why are some so vocal against it????

Nothing wrong with tossing around ideas. This seems to be a good time to do it since things are changing around anyway. :)

Ronstuff, I'm not campaigning against it. I don't care. I do 100% rendering in Poser but I'm not sticking my graphics in the 100% pure gallery because I happen to think the subject of my graphics is more important (to me, not to anyone else) than the purity issue. To you it is visa versa...how you do the graphics obviously have a higher priority that what your graphic is about. It doesn't matter to me...there's no right and no wrong to it....just a difference of opinion. I can disagree with you without having anything in my mind other then trying to think through the pros and cons of the issues involved. It's meaningless because I don't have a vote and what I think has zero impact on what the administrator's decide to do. And that's fine with me. And whether you believe me or not doesn't matter to me in the least. As soon as I send this message, you're gone out of my mind. I'm done. This is a molehill and I'm not watching it turn into a flaming mountain when there is no reason for it to do so. Do what you want. Life is too short to get mad about something like this. And I refuse to get angry about it. Poof....I'm gone. Have a lovely life.

ron.. ask yourself this what is important. the program or the art? if you answer the program.... then you are really thinking Snob. Kai

Ronstuff, I am not against anything, either. I don't fear anything and my motives are not selfish. And I am not campaigning against it. I just like things to make sense to me. I would rather see ONE gallery based on the talent of the artists in the community with options for the artist to include the tool(s) they used in the description. To me, the art is more important, NOT the tools I used to make it. The tools should not be the main focus. Like dialyn said, we have different perspectives. And like dialyn, I'm done with this subject as well. Peace

Kai - The answer is BOTH. There are valid reasons for galleries in a community like this which are about art - there are also valid reasons for galleries which feature technique and skill, and yes, even the software. This is as much a technical community as it is an artistic one. The problem seems to be that the ARTISTS are the snobs who don't see anything except what their narrow definition of whatever they THINK "Art" is. There are many categories in the genre list which I will never use, but I don't feel the need to tell other people that those categories are useless. My question, again is, why do people with your mentality try to tell me what is useful and what is not just because your needs or desires differ from mine?. I really want to know. What are you afraid of? What's the big deal? Why do YOUR needs superceede MINE? What's wrong with co-existence? All I want is ONE little category to help me find the kind of image I wish to view (and I am NOT alone in this). Why does this threaten YOU (and aparently some others as well) to the point that you resort to insult to make your point? Peace? Looks more like "Hit and run" to me. Keep smilin' :-)

'Why does this threaten YOU (and aparently some others as well) to the point that you resort to insult to make your point?' erm... I'm not insulting anyone

"... then you are really thinking Snob" No insult intended, I'm sure...

no Ron.. None at all I can get insulting if you want tho? if so, just IM me and we'll go for it :) but I meant Snob as Program Snob Eg - Max is better than XX cos it costs so much type snob please.. check the Context before accusing someone of insulting you :) you may get a suprise :)

Oh thankyou! Before going to put my cuckoo clock under the new 'object' category, I thought I'd to stop by to say my BIG THANK YOU to everyone who's working to make this place better! I appreciate it very much, and this possibility of sorting picture by genre and keep the sorting by software... I think it a big improvement... Thank you again!

I'm not fighting against your idea at all of searching out Pure Poser images. I just don't agree that a gallery is how to do it, for reasons mentioned above. Also dialyn's point about not putting a 100% Poser image in a gallery labeled Pure Poser is valid, because it's almost like punishing the artists on views by banishing them to this gallery. By having a searchable flag, they can still stay in the main gallery, which is their right to do, and bu checking that flag, those that want to seek out Pure Poser images can find them as well without the nonpure Poser images showing up. Thus picking up more views instead of less. Course how difficult or whether Rosity would do that only tammy and gang could say. I'm just suggesting a method by which everyone could be happy, including the other galleries that have the same problem since a pure flag would work for them too.

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PS: I misquoted dialyn's reason for not posting in the Pure Poser gallery. My bad and I apologize. However, I think deep down there will be a lot of people that will feel that way. I still remember the argument about Product Showcase...

"I find it so strange that this whole community, galleries, forums, marketplace.. all of it is focused on Poser,....." "As far as the argument for "Pure Bryce" or "Pure Vue" - I don't see why they would want it, they ALREADY HAVE the Poser gallery to call their own." B.S. I for one almost never post anything in the Poser gallery, even when the main subject of the picture is a Poser figure. I always use Bryce to set up my scenes, because while it takes me anywhere from 40 to 200 hours to build a scene in Bryce, building the same scene in Poser would be literally Impossible. There is no way in HELL I'd EVER try to build a really complex scene in Poser, it simply is NOT suited to it. IF "everybody" was using the Poser gallery as you insist, the Bryce and other galleries wouldn't have the tens of thousands of pictures that are in them. I agree with what was said above: if you want "Pure" Poser, then that means absolutely NO objects, textures or anything else made in ANY other program and imported to Poser in any way, or face it - it just is NOT "Pure". You say there is not snobbery, but your tone of looking down on everyone who does not do it exactly the way you do is crystal clear. If you want to have your "pure" classification as one of the sort criteria, I see nothing wrong with it, but don't be putting down others just because they don't follow your lead.

I think we all have done a good job working together, providing feedback and making changes. Please be respectful of others opinions. I see the Pure Poser Gallery issue getting heated. This thread is about the genres and not the pure poser. Please take the pure poser issue to community improvement forum for discussion. thanks tammy

Right, Tammy, I didn't mean to start a debate but I would still respectfully request that some thought be given to a mechanism for locating "poser renders without postwork" - I regret ever using the word "Pure" as it seems to strike a nerve with some people.

Yikes, this will take a long time... ! sigh I did three... and also went back to make sure I could see my "animals" in the Vue gallery... well.. okay.. will work on it little by little... wish there was a way to do them all at once! Lyne

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Thanks ron. I think this is something that we could put on our list and discuss. I am not talking about launching a pure poser gallery but how to search for those. thanks Lyne, if you have lots of images yes it could take a while, but will be worth getting them categorized since members will be able to find those images of interest. thanks tammy

I click edit next to the picture. I go in, and scroll down, and change the genre to one appropriate. Later, I go back to the galleries, and search for that genre. I search through the entire depth of the genre list, and it's not there. I've tried deleting my temp files, hitting refresh, even waiting a day or two. Can someone help?

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Maybe it's a little silly, but did you hit 'upload before leaving? (if I dare suggest such a simple thing, it's just because I tried adding genres to mine four times before realizing it)

I did. Every time. Nada.

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When I have to edit things for my gallery, I right click on the Edit link and open it in a new window. I do my changes, hit upload, and then close the window. This way, I still have my entire gallery showing instead of being bumped to the main gallery. Cheers!

Valandar, if the pictures are more than 14 days (?) old, they do not currently show up in the categories. They're working on it. At least that's how I understood it :o)

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Some graphics that don't show up as "What's new" kind of sort of show up if you hit "Most Viewed" or one of the other tabs. ernyoka1 is right, though, I think they are working on it so you can see older graphics. They date from your first upload of the graphic...not when you change categories.

The What's new section on all areas only shows the last 30 days uploaded. Your upload date stays the same as when you uploaded and just moves the image to the appropriate genre. We may open the what's new up once we get all the options for the gallery available but right now it is too much on the database. You are listed when i check for poser/humor - most viewed, most commented, etc. You don't show up in the what's new because the upload was Aug 6th, 2002. thanks tammy

I have some pictures that are undersea scenes, but there is no suitable category for them (nautical is about 'boats' after all), nor for that matter is there any category for subterranean scenes. ALso, I'm not too sure about the Nature/Landscape category. What if one (as I have) makes landscapes that contain a good number of buildngs? That's certainly not a "nature" pic, and I don't think it should be forced into the "architecture" category when it's really a landscape [with] buildings. If nature and landscape were separate, there'd be no confusion, IMHO.

I'd also like to see a "Undersea" catagory, as I do quite a bit of fantasy/underwater rendering. The fantasy realm is quite large, how about a "High Fantasy" catagory? Those having to do with other worlds and races.

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I have renamed nautical to be Sea/Undersea. I think there would be confusion if I separated nature and landscape....maybe we need to think harder for a category that could in corporate buildings? What about City? or Buildings? Would any of these fit? Judith at this time we are asking for all fantasy images to go into fantasy. This could change over time as the genres grow. thanks tammy

Would building be confused with architecture? Would City be appropriate for villages, small towns, cottages? I've not a clue what the answer is. I'm glad I don't have your job.

yeah, you are right, dialyn. i need to think more on this one.

How about somthing along this line as a concept? Some people like to do landscapes that are focused on the 'nature' side, and others like to do ones that have a lot more structures, but are still really landscapes - like several of mine. 2 categories ought to do it: Landscape/Nature Landscape/Buildings ( I do realize, however, that we need to exercise good sense here and not get too carried away asking for genres.)

I think there must be another term we can use. We are trying not to list genres with the same name. Anyone have any ideas?

When I try to sort by "Random" in the Story genre, it says there are 15 graphics but shows none of them. Is this a blip? Because my graphics aren't "new" and don't have comments, there aren't very many ways to view them, so it was disappointing to find the Random sort didn't work.

yes, this is being worked on.

Tammy how about Rural/scenery Urban landscape or something like that.

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Why not just Scenery? Does it matter if it has buildings in it? I've seen some very urban environments with no buildings and very rural ones with buildings.

Scenic would probably be a better term, but I agree that it would cover landscapes and buildings...

So as not to rile the folks who wanted the "nature" category in there by removing their genre, how about? Nature Scenes (could include anything from a single flower to a full all-natural landscape) and Viewscapes (landscapes ranging from natural to full cityscapes, in fact - any kind of wide-field view) It seems this might possibly be a simple way to accommodate all parties.

this is a good idea.... let me check on this. although i have never heard of viewscapes. tammy

But what happens to more urban or village scenes that aren't wide view but might be a little scene of small town life or village scene or a street or two in the middle of the city? They don't always have people as the main focus. I'm just curious. I'm probably bringing up problems that don't exist at this point.

yeah, they don't exist yet that i know of but always good to try and think ahead. will give this some thought as well. tammy

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Well, I saw one that shows what I mean, though the artist may have classified it another way. To me, the point of this scene is not the person, but the film noir atmosphere and the urban setting. In fact, I don't know where the art noir kind of stuff would fit in...it isn't goth (too realistic for that). I guess realism??? Perhaps that's where this would logically go??? I'm not sure what realism means, actually. I thought story would include graphics that have a story in themselves but might also include a fragment or short story or poem but I was told that I was wrong about that. So my interpretation of some of the genres seems a little shaky.

yeah you are right.... i have been thinking on this.. not really having any ideas. wondering if the viewscape could be defined to include those types of shots. tammy

Tammy, I came up with the term "viewscapes" in an attempt to coin a phrase as inclusive as possible for those types of view. If the 'film noir' feeling or general 'ambiance' or possibly some 'intense emotion' is the main subject of a pic, how about a broad class called something like "Atmosphere/Mood"? Also, possibly a genre for 'Urban Scenes' in addition to Nature-Scenes and Viewscapes - so there's room for everyone? (Just tossing out suggestions to see if any float and can be helpful.) Also, I'm with dialyn on the terms - such as the 'story' genre. I know you have a lot to do, but wouldn't it be a good idea for there to be a thread/page/whatever someplace with a list of all the genres and at least a start-off basic definition of what goes in them. Some are quite clear, such as sea/undersea (thanks for adding that) but a number of others, such as 'story' (For example: is it a picture that tells a story, or a series of pictures telling one story - or both?) - the terms can be rather vague and some definition would make things clearer.

Agree this would be a good thing to do. I have it down to get done. tammy

only 1 suggestion for the SF genre catogory Star Trek Non Star Trek then we can ignore the trek :)

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Added Anime & Careers ...and probably will add Scenic to represent the urban, rural, city, village, etc scenes. I am still thinking on this one. I don't want to add something then have to have members recatagorize their image. Sorry for being a little slower with this one. I do want to thank all members who have been helping me with this one area. :) We will not break up scifi at the moment. thanks tammy

Question - where would a "cave" scene belong?

I guess that depends on what is IN the cave... :o)

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Allen9, I would say nature/landscape.

Ok, but it sure isn't a landscape. I guess that's going to be the 'catch-all' category, as there are certainly quite a few varieties that seem to be stuck in there. I guess we can live with that, but I really think there should at least be an 'Atmosphere/Mood' category for scenes with a 'film noir' ambience, or where the overall atmosphere is the main focus, but is not necessarily 'gothic'. (Gothic would fit into 'atmosphere/mood' but not the other way around - IMO.)

Ok added Scenic and Atmosphere/Mood. Will be working on listing the definitions for each of the areas. thanks tammy