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RayRaz asked me to weigh in on this topic, so here I am. :-)

We (Pandromeda) have been negotiating with Corel to buy the Bryce brand for some time now.

To make any big dream happen, such as creating MojoWorld or purchasing Bryce, takes a substantial sum of money. Apparently what weve been able to offer Corel has not been enough.

We believe that $500K to $1M cash up front, plus about another $1M in royalties over a few years, would be enough to get Corel to hand Bryce over. Unfortunately, we dont have that kind of money--we already spent it on MojoWorld. ;-)

Eric Wenger and I have spoken about working together to take Bryce to the next level and beyond. It would be very easy to slip the MojoWorld texture engine in under the hood of Bryce, making Bryce faster and more powerful right away. And we could add a user interface to the code I stuck in there when working on Bryce 4.0 to easily add further functionality. Then theres the MojoWorld renderer, which is far more advanced--and faster, for rendering the same things--as Bryces; htat could be added, too.

Theres no doubt that we have the vision and technology to move Bryce forward. What we lack is the cash to wrest it from Corel.

So: please send money. ;-)

-Mo

PS- Im preparing to leave for the Game Developer Convention in San Jose tomorrow, so I may not get to comment on any of your replies to this posting until a week from today, or maybe later.

man...Bryce with the Mojo Render engine...pandromeda would be the perfect company to move Bryce forward.. So who do I make the check to Doc? :-)

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Well, whenever you do get back to look at, what I'm sure will be a Mtn. of suggestions and questions... Are you looking to keep Bryce and MojoWorld seperate pieces of software, or, is Bryce to be assimilated and dissapear into the MojoWorld program? Thanks for coming forward and talking about this, btw. AgentSmith

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i have only uesed the demo of MojoWorld and i agree with everything that has been said but i have always said that bryce and vue d'esprite would compliment each other real good and now with what you want to do is buy bryce from corel if you add (MojoWorld,bryce,vue d'esprite)combine the three you would have the ultimate 3D graphic's program that would leave all the other's in your dust. if you have a program that needs beta testing hook me up.

I hope it would remain 2 seperate packages, but what ever Doc and Eric decide, would certainly fly with me : ) I'm sure there would be massive support from the community either way. All I can do to help with money, is maybe upgrade from 1.1 to 2.0 ..it's been long overdue anyways, as most of the planets are being made with 2.0 nowdays, and Im missing out dang it.

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Deadman67, take it easy there fella! Maybe you should aquaint yourself with what's been going on here by reading the above link first. This is a situation which needs to be taken a step at a time. Let's give the man time enough to breath. I'm sure he'll fill us in when he gets back. In the meantime, get your checkbook ready.

So we could all be the silent partners? ;)

Hmmm...one or two VC names come to mind who might want to play in that type of venture. Dunno if you're interested in that, Doc...but it would at least be worth a phone call or two.

OK I am in....Maybe can get some cash....

Well I guess the cats outta the bag now. I can stop chewing on my tongue every time the topic comes up now. Best of luck Doc. I'm still working on "you know who". Tom

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LOL!!! Let all the cats out, the beans spill etc etc :-)

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We'd probably keep the two as separate products. Bryce and MojoWorld are very different, and each has its strengths and weaknesses. We might market future MojoWorld releases as "Bryce Pro" or something lamely marketing-speak like that. ;-) The best situation would be if both were just different interfaces to the same modeling/rendering/texturing engine. "But first we'd have to get Bryce." :-) -Mo

Therein lies the rub.

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Is MojoWorld (you) going to represent at Siggraph 03 or04? (Are we going to wait outside Siggraph to beat the crap outta the Corel suits?) (j/k Corel...) AS

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Getting Bryce away from Corel might be very hard if they know we want it....And where is Siggraph this year?

Beating the crap out of em wont change anything tho,but just might make us feel better...We got your back...Hey Doc awesome proggy in Mojoworld,I started to Beta-test Mojoworld awhile ago but had a major crash and lost the Beta-link,I still have my Password but could never find that link again...Was really bummed...Almost as bummed as I am right now....When I feel this bummed I go and render something SO I think I will....

I'm a bit off topic here but then again I'm not...everytime I launch Bryce I shake my head by the sight of the corel logo...always knew they would let it bleed to death....it is time to put bryce back in caring arms.. (east or west corner AS?) (j/k too corel...nice tie btw) -M-

Doc, anything I can do to help, let me know. This is a wonderful idea and I hope it works out.

Aye, this is a great thread... We should just rename the whole site Nebulosity. Granted, Bryce probably should be back in the right hands, but what's the problem? 2 Million? That's all they want for Bryce? Well open-funding it would get us absolutely nowhere, that's not how business works. For Bryce to be a viable product, it has to make money. The weird thing is that we use Bryce to make money. (some of us) Apparently, what it comes down to is interest generated and the risk vs. reward factor. If Bryce only costs a couple million, and nobody has picked it up, it's probably just not economically viable. Nobody spends that much cash with no intention of reaping rewards. I assume Sir Doc and Sir Wenger have calculated for all of this stuff, but if you compare the amount of money spent on Bryce, worldwide, to the amount of money made with Bryce? The fabled mountain scenes in the LOTR movies were piled high with Bryce, and those people made a great amount of money off of their favorite little program. THAT'S what I call investing! If nobody pics up Bryce soon, some movie studio like Play or Pixar will surely pick it up. And ruin it. Soon we'll be living in cartoon landscapes, or worse! So, Sir Doc and Sir Eric, wherever you guys are, for the love of God please nail the Bryce program! "You're our only hope..."

After five o'clock, West corner, that way we have the setting sun on our backs and in their eyes, lol. Siggraph 2003 is in San Diego, and in 2004 it will be in Los Angeles. I live in L.A., I'm slated to go to both. Whether or not Corel owns Bryce or not, I think one point that we are all frustrated with is the lack of communication with Corel. No offense to Conan Hunter, I don't know the guy at all, but it would have been nice to have heard from any Corel employee once in a while, even if it was to say "sorry, no new news, guys". If Corel goes on owning Bryce in the future, this problem NEEDS to be rectified. And, maybe I shouldn't mention Conan, it's not his job to have to come into these forums, but if Bryce's program manager could at least have communication with someone (a fellow Bryce-freak), whom in turn did come to these forums to say "sorry, no new news, guys", that would have made us all feel a little more appreciated. We are the buyers of their product, we are their long term beta-testers, and (this is my attitude talking but) Renderosity is one of the biggest artistic communities on the planet, and I have yet to see another set of Bryce users take Bryce as far as the members here. IMO, you are all the best, and if Bryce comes out of Corel's arms, and the chance is given, I'm sure you all can make a difference in Bryce's future. AgentSmith

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I would welcome a new direction for Bryce, but I must admit that some of the things I most want to see in Bryce are the weakest parts of Mojoworld. Vegetation is my primary concern. If only one could combine the vegetation technology from Vue with the awesome terrains of Mojoworld and Bryce.. ;)

Doc and Eric are just the ones to take Bryce to the next level if Corel offers the right price. Like I said before Bryce already uses Ken's algorithms and a lot of Eric's code so it is a logical pairing. Having Ken's new fractals in the accessible interface of Bryce would be truly amazing. I wish everyone luck and bring on the VC money - this would be a godsend if it were to happen. Scott

Well, whatever happens, its great to know that some good people have plans for Bryce! AgentSmith, i will have to agree with you about Conan Hunter, whoms excuse ive found to be a poor one. If you love Bryce, you use the app! And you also visit the community once in a while! No one is that busy!

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clic, clic, there's no place like home...there's no place home...well, I'd help in any way I could, I just bought MojoWorld 2.0 awhile back to see what was what, I like both and if they were integrated, wow, what an app they'd be...I knew some VCs in Washington,DC, but I don't think 3d apps were their thing, but it never hurts to ask...:)

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Doc should definitely hook up with Eric to make the future of Bryce. The Mojoworld/Bryce product distinction need not be a problem. Anyway, the features I want to see are cellular automata-based synthesized life forms, gaseous nebula coalescence parameters, and fluid-core driven plate tectonics. Yup, that should do it.... Refined orbital dynamics are a given.... ;-) Azby Brown

Hi Doc, and there's me saying 'Mo doesn't have time to mess with this Bryce problem. . . " ha ha, at least I get something to laugh about ;-( Obviously I'm one million percent behind you if and when you get Bryce, I'd beta test for ya, you bet! Corel will have to get 'realistic' about the price eventually won't they? this is good news in that it offers a fair degree of hope. let us know how to put money into this. I don't a have a lot right now, but will help as much as is 'sensible' seeing as Bryce and MJW are a big part of my life.

"Corel will have to get 'realistic' about the price eventually won't they?" Well 2 million dollar isn't really very much. If you compare it to other software packages 2 million is really almost nothing. However 2 million can ofcoarse be a lot for the people who want to buy it, but that's probably because Pandromeda isn't really a huge company. If Microsoft would buy it it would say "2 million? Here's 10 million, you can keep the rest". This is ofcoarse only a hypothetic illustration, because having Microsoft buying bryce would almost be worse than bryce bleeding to death ;D

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2 million is a lot to get together for a bunch of users like us. It's going to be difficult to get that kind of money. Some sponsoring would be a better opertunity. Maybe a nice bryce-animation TV series would raise more money... It is a big and risky thing to do though. Maybe we should make a few millionaires bryce addict and then tell them they only have to pay 2 million to keep bryce from dying :)

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I for one am anxious to see what Corel has to say,And yes we could get the 2 million and if it came from Microsoft I wouldnt complain....IF....The right folks were put in charge,like Doc and Eric or even if every user of Bryce gave 5$ we would have more then enough to buy the Proggy rights...BUT then you would have all of us who would want a say and that wont work,we would need certain folks in Charge...OH heck here you go...If all of the past buyers(Several Hundred Thousand according to Corel) put up 5$ they would get a confirmation code in the Mail that would give them 50$ off the price of either the upgrade or the full product for Bryce6,And this would let us work on the code to implement Poser Animations and also let us work on Exporting whole scenes from other programs into Bryce...IE Poser Animations.....I for one will send the Money....I will start hitting all of the heavy hitters in town and see what can happen...

Now there's an idea that might actually work...and its not 2 mil were lookin for its 500 thou to 1 mil...if you beef up the inlay to 10 or 15 bucks we will need 100 thou Brycers max..and assuming Pandromeda does have some cash in the backpocket we could end up needing 'only' 50 thou people. Now..we moved the problem from getting money into finding 50000 loyal Brycers..lemme hack corel for their customerlist (Kidding corelbossman..you know I love you...great suit...new?)

I'm willing to put up some money to help. I have a couple of hundred (maybe more in the future) and if we can get this going I'm willing to toss it into the pot to help. This is on the record serious here.

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If your wanting to put some money into Doc's hands for buying bryce, then purchase mojoworld if you havn't already : )

I would be happy to pledge $50 towards a purchase fund. Another idea might be for a potential buyer to present a document of intentions for the development of Bryce along with a subscription list for upgrades and new buyers. This would help give an indication of the viability of any investment. Years ago, artists and publishers would fund projects with subscriptions. Projects only went ahead if the interest was there. The trick is to get as much of the Bryce Community on board to show support thereby giving potential investors confidence that the risk is a viable one. I would be happy to purchase an upgrade in advance of its development. I don't mind waiting as long as I know there is something at the end of the wait. Product loyalty is a two way street. Corel don't seem to be interested in the loyalty we have shown so far, perhaps someone else would appreciate it more? They are like the rich kid with the best toys, they don't value what they have but wont let anyone else play.

Making Doc rich is next weeks issue...right now the focus is on Bryce :P

I would love to help, Bryce is too bigger part of my life to see it just disappear. I could pledge 100, whatever that is in $. If we could get it organised it would be a saviour.

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Like I said in other posts we need to organize and with Doc coming forward and showing an interest then perhaps it wouldn't be too difficult to raise the money. What I said earlier was that we need someone trustworthy to take control of the funds and I think you would all agree that Doc would be the perfect person to do this. He is in the right position, has the motivation and as he said still has the love for Bryce that is needed to take it forward to new hights. I would be very happy to contribute to this and have already spoken to my bank about opening another account that is solely for saving for this project. This will mean that when the time comes to hand over the cash it is there. Also the idea that whoever contributes gets a discount on an upgrade or whole program is perfect, no-one who contributes could argue with that. Bryce is a labour of love for many of us and I hate the idea that it is being left to die in the hands of a company who does not have the vision to improve on a wonderful program. There are few things on my wish list for a new Bryce and there are only two that I come back to again and again, and these are for a faster render engine and the ability to export Bryce primatives and the models made from them, oh, and for the new Bryce to be able to export the models already created in Bryce. That's me done for now I think, but I'll probably be back later. Cheers all. Cat

Doc, maybe you should set up some kind of bryce fund. It be a lot of work to keep track of donators, but worth it if it gets the money that you need.

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A good database would do most of the tracking work, so that shouldn't be too terrible. What would also be necessary is a good contract between the company and the customers so that people are clear about what is happening with their money and what they are getting in return. If this looks feasable, blanketing the appropriate news outlets with press releases would alert other Brycers to the situation. Lin

If Doc and Eric are in charge, put me down for $10 towards the purchase of Bryce, it's well worth it...:>

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I've got some money I could give too. Let's see what Doc thinks about this great idea. If this idea is going to become reality we should be able to get it in the Renderosity flyer and some magazines like 3DWorld and Computer Arts. That would give use millions of potential donators and at least several tens of thousands should be bryce-users and most of those would probably be willing to spend a little money on the survival of their favourie program. So let's see what Doc thinks...

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I would like to see 100,000 loyal users support the Idea with say 20$ and in return we give them a percentage off the first and second upgrade...Also we develope a website and in this website we have a Beta-forum where the higher ups that we will put in charge shall visit the forum on a daily basis this is a REQUIREMENT where they will be able to offer advice and help out with all of the small problems,Also we would need a Plugin developer page also Pages for the light,Tree,Plant,Effects,Atmosphere,And Movie/animation import...These things take money but the really good thing about all of this is Both Programs are already there and we dont have to complie them both all we would have to do is make an import module for both programs....I am more then willing to help out in any way I can just give me a Jingle DOC...

I would be delighted to do beta testing on any new programming that comes along. So you can count me in too. Cat

As stated previously, I'm in. The money ($250 CDN) has been set aside pending this as a go.

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You're fast Incarnadine so far I've got the princely sum of 50, approx $75 I think, but I will be adding to it from time to time. Cat

Lets get a bit more realistic...I seriously doubt Renderosity, 3DWorld and Computer Arts have anywhere near 100k per month in printings, heck, probably far less. (versus millions).

I also doubt that there is even 50k users still using Bryce. Most people probably bought 4, used it, and a small percentage bought 5. I bet you would be lucky to even FIND ten thousand Bryce users let alone get them to donate $100+.

Maybe some of the users here should get together and work with Doc, Eric & Corel to make a few plugins or stand alone programs to export terrains and models. Sell that on Renderosity and see if you have any buyers. If only a couple hundred buy it then sadly, Bryce will die.

I would love to see a Bryce 6 too, but I'm a developer (ColdFusion & Flash) and I can tell you that development costs are far higher than most anticipate, take far longer, and tend to fail far more often than all would like.

For all of you saying how much farther you have pushed Bryce than was ever anticipated...maybe Bryce should die a sweet death...consider spending your hard earned $ on a product with a larger user based and more refined code. Imagine what the true artists in all of you could do with a Lightwave, 3D Max, Maya, etc!!! If you think you are making Bryce sing, imagine using something far more powerful. Sure, it costs a lot, but it might be worth it.

I already tried Lightwave and half a dozen other "hi-end" 3D programs and they basically suck. The most basic features are implemented in an unnecessarily complex fashion. Put another way, they are poorly thought out and hard to use. It's like getting a new 900 hp super car with every luxury imaginable, but you need a week to find the steering wheel and a year to figure out how to drive it to the grocery store. Power and features do not justify a poor interface.

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Here's a couple of old points(as you know); Bryce = $200 3D Max, Maya, etc = $1,600 - $3,500+ And, it's not a matter of (a MUCH, MUCH larger) cost really, it's beacause we love the program is all. And, we all know that it will not die a sweet death, even if a newer Bryce never comes out, far too many people own it, use it, love it. Larger user base?! The Bryce sections at Renderosity are second only to Poser in volume and size of it's; user base, resources and galley count. That still makes it WAY bigger than any of the higher-end program sections. The artists who own expensive, higher-end programs are always telling me to give up my Bryce toy and spend thousands of dollars...just like they did. Well, sure one day I most likely will (Maya), but it's gonna be installed right next to my Bryce. ;o) Unfortunately, making plugins for Bryce would most likely be pointless right now, since it seems Corel is not talking and just sitting on Bryce, and we kinda need their help to develop plugins. And, whenever plugins are made, and if sold just out of Renderosity, they will HAVE to be promoted on a very wide scale; i.e. promoted through Computer Arts, 3D world Mag, etc., so thet won't die sweetly... And, really we wouldn't deal with just those mags, but with say, a company called Future Network, who deals with those specialist magazines and websites. They publish over 80 magazines and over 30 magazine websites from 5 different countries, they also license 32 of its titles, making 60+ local editions in an additional 23 countries. So, there ya go. And, yes, raising money is a shot in the dark, but it's movement towards a goal, doesn't matter if it pans out. If the movement itself creates enough attention so that at least Bryce lands in the hands of a company that will care for it AND it users, that's all that matters. Sure higher-end programs are/can be better. But, most of the Bryce users will never, ever spend the money on that, so they stick to what they can afford, and love. The users that end up taking 3D to a career, sure they'll get a professional package, no doubt. But, how many times have I seen in the galleries "Modeled in 3D Studio Max, rendered in Bryce"? That's gotta tell you something, lol. AS

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The plan was not donating money but to buy a piece of Bryce6 or any upgrade to 5 in advance. As a "true artist" I can tell you that to me Bryce is not a landscape generator but a tool I use to create the image I want to make and the only limit I found sofar would be me. Bryce is not a toy..its a serious application that can produce serious results when put in the right hands.

Bryce to me is the only camera that will allow me to shoot inside my head! It has allowed me to express the images that bounce around in there in a simple and cost effective manner like no other program could. I want, no, I NEED it to continue to grow and I am willing to do whatever I can to help with that. If that is a contribution/subscription, fine, testing/feedback, fine! Way to go AS, definitely in agreement!

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Aye, I have a lot of faith in the Program itself, it's ridiculously powerful for it's price! The interface and the different labs offer a really intuitive and deep level of creativity, unlike most of the higher apps I've used which stress program knowledge instead of program exploration to develop techniques. I'm sure there are plenty of smaller, Meta-Creations sized companies out there that would be able to secure our Program. But I think we'd all love to see it back in it's creator's hands, at Pandromeda or otherwise. Far as I know, Doc Mojo is one of the only programmers who gives a shit enough to stop in and say what's on his mind, much less the only one to comment on any of MY images! (Thank you Sir!) So let's not get too depressed about it, either Bryce 6 comes out, or it doesn't. In the meantime, we'll all just keep learning and expanding our creativity in 5/4/3d(It Moves!), and if nothing else between now and Bryce 6, perhaps someone will write a plug for LW or Maia that lets us convert our scenes over...? Or a (probably illegal to even mention it, but...) third-party .br5 renderer that actually moves! We are, we make stuff, that is all...

As I have stated,Doc if you need help just call....

"I seriously doubt Renderosity, 3DWorld and Computer Arts have anywhere near 100k per month in printings, heck, probably far less. (versus millions)." Check this on 3DWorld's webside: "from all 32,416,822 corners of our expertly rendered polygonal planet!" I always thought that was the number of subscribers. Am I just really stupid for thinking so? Or am I right saying that we can reach millions of people?

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Nah, they don't have that many subscribers, or that many printings every month. If they did, they would eventually own the world, by grossing oh, probably around 300 million dollars every month. Millions can be reached, it would have to be done through many channels.

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I wonder what the number stands for then...

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I bet it's just made up? dunno.

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I think What they mean is that the earth is 32 million Polygons around hence the "Expertly Rendered"

I like the idea and would be very happy to spare US$100 to help Pandromeda buy Bryce from Corel. Fernando

I think What they mean is that the earth is 32 million Polygons around hence the "Expertly Rendered"

Yeah, but it's still no better than the moon without its texture map. :p

Honestly though, I'll be willing to send an Andrew Jackson towards the Bryce fund. If just for an honerable mention somewhere hidden in the long list of contributors towards the creation of Bryce 6. :)

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If you want to know the subscriber count of magazines, look in the back issues. Under US law, to send the magazines by the US postal service, at least 1 time per year they print a small table showing how many total issues were printed, how many were sent to paid subscribers, etc. Careful search of the last year's worth of magazines will show a table, probably 2-3 inches wide and 8 inches tall, or as large as 1 printed page with the numbers in it.

So where do we send the money?

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This is all just a plan, I think everyone is kinda waiting for DocMojo to get back from his convention, and reply to all this. See what his thoughts are. He should be back on the 10th or 11th. AS

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Too long of a wait AgentSmith I think we should start the FUND now and let DOC approve it from Afar....I think we can get a fund started here and we can get a website started with stats that will show how much is in the fund and also show who has donated money...I say lets start....

Just do an IPO or better yet, keep it a private stock. Mo can buy the shares back when he's got it going.

Hey, for the love of Bryce go for it! ;oD

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OK all who is in??????Lets roam far a field and start the motion going lets get everybody involved????

As stated previously, I'm in and I'm pledging $250 CDN.

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OK...Hey AgentSmith is there anyway that we can get a link to a page that will be developed for The Purchase of Bryce put in the Bryce Banner at the top of this Page?And also Is there any way we can get a percentage of our Earnings/Sales Taken out and donated to the "Bryce Quest"...

Perhaps it would be wise if we start a poll to query how many people here would join in. This poll could also include some contribution levels in US$, like $10 to $25, $26 to $50, etc.

Don't you just love this forum........Hugs all 8) Catlin

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Sounds very good to me...This weekend I am going to be surfing the web and seeing if we can get the word out...

Well right here I think Doc and Eric have a few thousand!

Count me in also, if someone could setup a web page and a linking banner I'd put it on my sites. I could put 100$ down as a contribution as well.

I found out over the weekend that one of my friends knows some of the developement staff at Corel. He will be happy to find out info for us is I can supply him with qestions. So let me know what questions you want answered and I'll set the ball rolling. Cheers Catlin PS. be nice

Cat, the big question is; Is Corel halting for good all Bryce development. Then; Is Corel going to sell Bryce. From what I read here Conan said Bryce was on "hold", I am thinking this is the same as a pro team owner saying we have the utmost confidence in our head coach. It is called the "kiss of death" :] Thanks Cat for going after the answers :)

I think your link jesterhawk is a little misleading. Cat

Sorry about that. It wasn't supposed to be. I misread the thing on the bottom here. I thought caption meant caption to your message and URL was for if you had a homepage. Sorry about the mixup :( I have deleted the message and will repost without the link. Jesterhawk

Hello, I would chip in some money to help. The problem is that I don't have much money. But you can have my $50. Just let me know where to send it. Also, I would love to see when it gets bought and worked on (and it will) a better export routine to allow for those of us who have friends who use other programs to share objects we create. Anyway, SAVE BRYCE, I love the program. Let me know what I can do at jesterhawk@yahoo.com. Thanks Jesterhawk

Hope you all can get Bryce from Corel would hate to see it die. Any help you need count me in. Also if you do aquire it and need some beta testers count me in too :O)

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Oh yes! What a sweet and promising vision : Bryce with its original fathers! Let me know if I can help... Thanks, Chris-

Anybody have any news yet? I really hope Doc gets Bryce, I can't think of anything better for Bryce's future. Let me know if I can help in any way. I normally don't watch the Renderosity forums, is there more current threads that I should be watching here? Thanks!

Well, I don't know if he is going to do it or not, but E-On software (the makers of Vue D'Sprit) has a survey online and the questions seem to indicate that they are considering purchasing Bryce. Don't know for sure, but you should all check it out. http://www.e-onsoftware.com/survey/ Jesterhawk

From what I've gleaned from my friend it would appear that since times are tough for Corel there is a good chance they would sell Bryce to put something back in the coffers, and I think this would be more likely since at present they don't appear to have any future plans for Bryce. The patch for Bryce 5 was the last work to be done on the program and since many of the developers were laid off last summer I don't think any more work was completed for a Bryce 6. Also there didn't appear to be any developers brought in from outside the company to continue work on Bryce, this would have cost a fortune to do anyway and I don't think Corel have the finances for that at the moment. From everything my mate has told me it would appear that the developers of Bryce were/are as dedicated to the program as we are, but because times are very hard economically for Corel they had to let the developers go and as Bryce is not included in Corel's future plans, no more work is being done on it. Folk who have an interest in aquiring Bryce basically have a similar problem as Corel itself, the venture capital isn't there, and there's another point, many people would like to own Bryce the name but not Bryce the program and we should all be careful about who we choose to trust with the use of our money to develop Bryce for this reason. One thing I was warned about was that putting money into buying Bryce would have to be done as an investment program with all the contracts etc. that accompany such an action, then we would have the assured knowledge of what we would be getting in return otherwise we could end up throwing good money after bad and not get the program we want in return. This brings me back to a point I made earlier and that is that we would need someone trustworthy to organise this and it would be asking a lot of someone to do this. I hope this has answered some of peoples questions and if there is anything else anyone would like to know either write here or IM me. I'll also put this in a new thread to keep everyone informed. Cheers Cat

Hello Again, I got an email from an E-On Software Customer Service rep and he informed me that as long as plans don't change, they plan to incorporate a Bryce importer into Vue 5. That would at least allow us to keep all our cool old Bryce stuff alive if Bryce goes away. On a side note, it would be really cool if someone could write a piece of software that could convert a Bryce Scene file to say a Lightwave scene or 3D Studio Max or something. Just rambling on this one. Thanks Jesterhawk

I agree Jesterhawk, that would be cool. Did E-On say anything about whether their importer would import procedural textures? I doubt it but that would be insanely kewl. I'm still pulling for Doc Mojo, Vue looks really nice, but Bryce is my first 3D love ;-) The DTE is still one of my favorite places to play of all the apps I've tried (besides MojoWorld of course).

No, they didn't mention anything about textures, although I assumed that if you were going to import a whole scene then you would have to import the textures. However, that is my opinion. I agree. Bryce 3D is my first love as well. I would love to see it taken by someone (like Doc Mojo) who has a real love for it and will take it to the next level. Jesterhawk

Check out what Doc Mojo had to say about a Bryce/Mojo merge here guys. He said that the Bryce UI would go if he got it and I really don't want to think of a Bryce without the familliar interface. http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1161488 Cat