Hi All OK, I did it, I had a spare 50 and got myself Bryce 5 upgrade from my rarely used Bryce 4. Having just spent 2 years with Vue I tried bryce again. Well, firstly there was a bug on the installer which has remained unfixed and unrecognised (still waiting for Corel to return my e-mail), it basically fails to recognise previous serial numbers, so it's impossible to upgrade. Apparently if you ring Corel, they give you a temproary serial number for that installation, obviously it's not in the FAQ nor does that serial number work next time you install. Fortunently other people know of this bug and using alternative methods I was able to install my legal upgrade for my previous legal full version. Thumbs down for Corel on software support. So, I opened the app, still same overcrowded and confusing interface, but I use Poser 5, I can deal with that, let's try and do something. About 10 minutes later, found myself screaming because of the horrendous way you move things around because you can't four pane the views (up, side, front, camera). Then I figured, OK, let's bung a Poser figure in, try and get motivated behind this app by working on one of my scenes. Printed out 6 page tutorial from website about how to import poser figures. Read it, uninstalled Bryce, placed in cupboard. This is a warning to anybody thinking of switching or trying out Bryce, don't, stay with Vue for your own sanity. best wishes Jody