Just an FYI kinda thing. The first render is Carrara's regular render with no post production. (actually none of these have any post on them) The second image utilizes the Glare extension from DCG with 'background accepts glare' selected. The other settings chosen are 'Glint' and 'White'. The last images uses DCG's Glare and Anything Glows extension. In this one the middle finger segments are the targets for the AG lights. (the finger tips are not included as a target; AG lights are not set to cast shadows but do have a 70% fall off) It's a good radiosity/reflected light substitute. Some fun possibilities. Mark