The management! ...sorry, but i couldnt resist...

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i love it dude, great picture :)

True, true. Possibly they have banana time all day. From the technically side: awesome work! Greets, Jimi

LOL, thanks for brightening my day!

lol that's hilarious. I love the monkey reading the software package!

ROFLMAO.

Looks like a nightmare after a bad evening of trying to install while watching Jumanji. Great Pic!!

kinda looks like a movie and i would call it Bubbles & Jacko the Night Jackson Spanks his Monkey.

The obviously great humor aside, this is an excellent technical achievement.

This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

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BTW, Sorry if the title is misleading...just couldnt think of anything more suitable. The only reason i renamed it for my gallery, is that i dont like law suits very much...

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LOL great piece of humour and if the management were primates it would be easier to get them to sell Bryce to Pandromeda. 8) Cat

Ive just noticed the monkey in the corner with the dunces hat on lol

I find your representation of the Corel organization as chimps offensive..... to the chimps of the world that is!! You can't compare chimps to knuckleheads! . . . . Chimps are higher on the evolutionary scale!! : )

OUTSTANDING job, Rochr. Nice impression of the exec boardroom complete with rendition of the chairman. Very nice render and lighting.

Because I like to blow $%&# up.

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Rochr, how'd you get into Corel to take this photo? ;) Terrific pic!

Sweet!!!!! "LOL"

Wait a minute! Suits! Where are the suits? Execs wear suits! Where are they? Come on! Fess up! Suits! I need suits! You know? Shirts, ties, suits! Well I just laughed and laughed!!!!! The Bryster

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Impressive and so very funny! I love it!

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Nearly had an accident. You have a deliciously vicious sense of humour and I really appreciated seeing this! Thank you!

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On the technical side, how did you do the fur?!!

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LMAO, funny as it is technically professional. Love the monkey with the dunce hat on ;-) Doug

I first tried with the basic chimp texture, but it was just to flat, so i used it as a base, and did some painting with the Wacom. Still getting familiar with it, but so far ive found it to be very useful for stuff like this. And its great fun too! :)

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Ah! Wacom's are very cool! I got my first one about 5 1/2 years ago and wouldn't dream of a computer without it! Thanks for sharing. BTW nicely done.

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I hope they see this and pause for some though about why we all think it is appropriate! All round Good'n!

Very sweet pic, rochr.

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LOL :)

Aye, it reminds me of that scene in Zoolander, where Derek and Hansel (He's so hot right now!) are beating on an I-mac looking for "the Files"! Good times, I love it Sir Rochr...!

Stunning work and more then likely true...

Hahahaha, remember that one shadowdragonlord! :))) Its hilarious!

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Yeahhhh!!! "Banana time", that's what they all are probably doing, lol, what about the one in the corner? Is he feeling bad? Ohhhh...

Amazing. ROFL :)

absolutely amazing

ROFL :)) The one in the corner wanted to sell Bryce to pandromeda for just one Banana. Now they want 2 million banana's. Fantastic image. Should we send it to Corel?

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LMAO - brilliantly funny and technically brilliant :-)

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They ate the suits! Sorry... :)

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Now that's monkey business. Cool picture.

Oh man... That has me laughing so hard that I couldn't see! Not only is this true of Corel in some regards, but I'm sure by changing topic of the first line on the chalkboard from Bryce that it would apply to other things as well (M$, cough cough.) All I can say is excellent!

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How about Apple or any company with software developers that have no clue? Dopey software engineers took out the base station configuration dialog out of airport config. Unfortunately that was the only place to set the channel for airport. Should be able to change that even if you are not acting as a basestation. Had to change the pc's and router settings so the mac can access the internet. Also for being in the mindset that you are only interested in connecting to a network as opposed to connecting to a wireless router. This happened some time ago but it pissed me off.

Being mad about stuff is really hip, these days.

Agh shucks! I liked suits! The Bryster

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I'm just a lurker here, but I had to reply to this post. I've been laughing hard for the last 10 minutes. Thanks for this.

Actually Corel is in the hand of "numbercrunchers" with no real vision. Guys, that have never seen the glow in the eyes of a real artist confronted with a dreamtoy to work with. (No, that is actually a must to save the company even if I more like guys with visions of top)

They are not bad or evil or what ever. The problem is that they see numbers and not art. So if we all want to change anything we must SHOW them that there is a big Brycecommunity worth serving! Many said: Bryce 5 is not enough I will upgrade to 6 and wait until. Sure and that made them think the market for Bryce is gone. Because they had no idea why they could not sell enough of 5. Inform them!

What about a "SAVE BRYCE" demonstration of artists? Sending them our creative output..showing what we all do with that toy. So they MUST accept that Bryce is more as they ever thought.

I had the chance to see some of the big ideas they had for the next Bryce, short before it was on hold. Features never seen in any of the competiting softwarepackages around. I had the glow in my eyes for sure.

So help all to make them think again. The ventura fans done the same and there is a new ventura. And we can not do it? Sure we can! Let Corel know we are many and we want Bryce Pro (aka Bryce 6).

Best wishes

Thomas

A "Save Bryce" demonstration is actually a great idea, and im all for it, if it can be done! If anyone have a suggestion, please post it! I dont think Corel are bad or evil either, but i know that they are pretty stupid or very isolated, if theyre not aware of how big the Bryce community really is! Just a simple search on the web on "Bryce gallery" generates 125000 hits. Even if there are doubles, the top names should lead them to communities like Renderosity, 3Dcommune etc. Compare the number of pics in the Bryce galleries with any other one! Heck, Conan Hunter used to be a member here, he should know how many users there are in this community alone! So atleast someone at Corel should know about this already! But a demonstration could wake some of them up, so why not try?

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That is what I think...show them we will not accept such a decision. It is ok if they find a new home for Bryce if they not want creating a new version. But actually we have the bad situation of a product dies while the owner waits...waits...waits. (for what?) Yet Bryce is well known..but what in 2 years? What if there is then only a new owner that want's parts of Bryce for further use like the textureengine? The same will happen as happened to Canoma and others before. Yet is the time to say STOP to that stupid waiting for nothing. Corel should think again and say: Yes, we will have Bryce 6 but a little later for sure. Or they should say no and try all to sell it soon so another company can do what Corel is not able to. Thomas

I'm all for protesting for the future of Bryce, but how many folk live close enough to Corel to actually carry it off. It would cost an arm and a leg for me to get to the states to begin with, never mind the cost of accomotation etc. If they have a place on this side of the pond we could perhaps do an American protest coinciding with a European protest, I'm sure if this were to happen they would have to take notice of it. Cat

Or we could send letters and emails... tons of them. Make them sick of them until they have to do something before their building implodes due the paper weight!

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The point is that they have to know there are enough interested in Bryce to give it a future. If done with letter or mails or direct protest or whatever...or all of it and more...it has to be done! Show Corel that there are many Brycelovers out there! What could be interesting is a "Save Bryce" logo that can be used if publishing any Bryceartwork to place on the picture. So all see Bryce-art find out about the situation. None should publish any Brycework without that information. Thomas

That's a great idea. It could also contain a link to a page with information and maybe a pre-made letter to Corel to send by e-mail if they want to do something about it.

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Why not try with something as simple as a name list? And once we have a large amount of names, send it all to Corel with some words on what its all about!

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I've put this in other threads but I'll put it here too. I discovered that a friend has contact with people on the developement staff at Corel. He will find out information for us if we tell him what to ask. So please give me questions he can put to these guys, the sooner the better folk. Cheers Cat

Thanx, I get some more informations too but not allowed to talk about details. All I can say: They had great ideas for the next version. And: The information from Conan is true. :-( You can be sure that some from the former Corel Bryce Team are on renderosity and sure some of the Beta guys too. Thomas

I have a question! "Why have they stopped the development of a highly popular application, that has the potential to be one of the very best, and obviously have so many users? Only a few new features would be required to place it amongst the best 3D applications available. And Bryce also has an advantage, its easier to learn!" Too long...? :)

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There is a short answer for that: Development costs and maybe they sold not enough from Bryce 5. Problem is that many said: Bryce 5 update? Why? Not enough new for me, I wait until 6. So the "numbercrunchers" think: The market for Bryce is not big enough to spend that much money for a new version actually. But the market IS big enough. Especially with all the planned new features. So we have to find a way to show that. I'm sure that many switched to Vue will be back if Bryce Pro is one day available...one day in NEAR future. But if they wait too long... Thomas

A list is good, but a lot of letters and emails is better because it gives them the feeling that there are so many people concerned. If we make a huge list and send them one letter, it will still be just one letter in the mailbox. Not a pain in the butt to throw away.

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HA HA HA!!! At least they're not making pictures like that of OUR management! (Yet.) Now Microsoft has dumped their Corel stock at a 90% loss. Ouch! Corel will be de-listed from the NASDAQ before too long, as they've been trading at under a dollar for some time now... -Mo Monkey Business PS- The numberchrunchers love only money. We went through that at MetaCreations.

So Doc has anything thats been said here about building a fund excetera made any sense. Is there any way for Bryce users, (and lovers), to help get Bryce back into sensible hands?? Cat

Corel need to know: More money lost with each month waiting. Many Brycelovers out there want a new version. If they not want to give it complete out of hands why not working together with others like CL does it these days? My wish: Changing the classic Brycearchitecture into a pluginsystem. So you can change near anything. Have different tracers, different toolsets and so on. So not only Corel can create new features for Bryce. Thomas

Thomas, MojoWorld has an open architecture, for exactly that reason. And Bryce 6, without any driving vision or new technology behind it, is likely to be incremental at best. (We, of course, can really open it up and make it over!) Cat, I think the amount of money needed--$0.5M to $1M--isn't going to be raised informally. Not for a piece of software that people only paid about $200 for, anyway! But we're working on raising the $$. "Wish us luck." -Mo

The thing that bothers me Doc is would Bryce retain it's present user interface or would it become like every other 3D app out there? Cat

My view of Bryce is "great interface on top of a flawed engine." So, if we were to land it, we'd keep the UI pretty much intact, and hope our extensions of it didn't mess with the user experience. "Don't mess with success," I figure. We'd keep MojoWorld separate, probably, with it's own more-at-professional UI. -Mo

There are really very few things that Bryce needs improving on. If you've ever seen the wish lists that pop up here from time to time they usually contain the same kind of things. There's the all time fav of being able to export the objects made, and the all important faster render engine, which is one of the thing that Mojoworld could provide with ease. Then there's the fanatics, they know who they are :), who would like true radiosity and global illumination, to mention just a few. But in all there are not many things that would make the majority very happy. Cat

Doc, I suspect you may be right about the raising money issue, but please don't discount the help offered. When I pledged $250, that was to start and if we do get serious I can increase that amount. I WANT to help and if there are more like me willing, we may make it just a shade easier. If that is the case then to me it IS worth it! Richard

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Richard, I certainly hope you succeed! Just imagine if Bryce could do all it does now, and have MojoWorld's textures, terrains, planets and pixel-level geometry--that would ROCK! Let's make it happen!!! -Mo

From what I've gleaned from my friend it would appear that since times are tough for Corel there is a good chance they would sell Bryce to put something back in the coffers, and I think this would be more likely since at present they don't appear to have any future plans for Bryce. The patch for Bryce 5 was the last work to be done on the program and since many of the developers were laid off last summer I don't think any more work was completed for a Bryce 6. Also there didn't appear to be any developers brought in from outside the company to continue work on Bryce, this would have cost a fortune to do anyway and I don't think Corel have the finances for that at the moment. From everything my mate has told me it would appear that the developers of Bryce were/are as dedicated to the program as we are, but because times are very hard economically for Corel they had to let the developers go and as Bryce is not included in Corel's future plans, no more work is being done on it. Folk who have an interest in aquiring Bryce basically have a similar problem as Corel itself, the venture capital isn't there, and there's another point, many people would like to own Bryce the name but not Bryce the program and we should all be careful about who we choose to trust with the use of our money to develop Bryce. One thing I was warned about was that putting money into buying Bryce would have to be done as an investment program with all the contracts etc. that accompany such an action, then we would have the assured knowledge of what we would be getting in return otherwise we could end up throwing good money after bad and not get the program we want in return. This brings me back to a point I made earlier and that is that we would need someone trustworthy to organise this and it would be asking a lot of someone to do this. I hope this has answered some of peoples questions and if there is anything else anyone would like to know either write here or IM me. I'll also put this in a new thread to keep everyone informed. Cheers Cat

Thanks for all this, Cat! We all appreciate it very much. -Mo