I suspects that Metacreations tend to screw around with the products to get insurance payments for the false errors. Every series of their products always have errors. They want insurance to pay off some debts and especially the stock shares to keep the business going and profits. They could of detected the errors and fix it before they put their products on the market. If metacreations wanted us to have everything we need and our business. They would made plug-ins for Poser, Carrara, Bryce, and other products as a happy family. They do not give us piece of crap. They want other money than the amount we bought for their products. (ie,. insurance, stock, other monetary resources, and business plan to keep us buying their products) I bought Ray Dream 5.0. It is a okay program but had some crashes. I was never able to make a good movie from it. I bought Poser 4 and found out that it was not compatible with RDS 5.0. Only RDS 5.5 would work with Poser 4 but RDS 5.5 is not in market anymore. Carrara and Poser 4 is in the market right now. Carrara is like 6.0 to RDS but it is not capatible with poser 4. Metacreations won't make plug-ins for Poser 4 to work with RDS 5.0 or Carrara only RDS 5.5. MetaCreation released plug-ins for poser 3 to work with RDS 5.0. As you can see that they have business plan to keep us buying their products. They do not give a crap about our business. Why do we need to wait for the plug-ins everytime we bought their products? If they care about our business they would of have plug-ins made and put in softwares before. MetaCreations is a big pain in ass. :-) 3D Nut