Before you purist and rules lawyers start spouting, let me say, I am well aware of the "requirements" of the software companies to supply upgrades, patches and corrections to their screw ups,... i.e. there isn't any. I am also well aware of what CL said they'd fix in SR3. All that said,... is anybody still buying their garbage?? SR3 simply didn't fix anything that I could see that needed fixing. Is it so hard for them to get the clue?? The software has basic, core issues. Patching the periphery nonsense such as the cloth room and the web browser ain't feedin' the bull dog!!! Fix the frikkin' file open routines!!! Correct the memory leaks!!! Fix your texture handling routines!!! None of this was improved or fixed in SR3 (despite corporate claims to the contrary, if any). In fact, I 've noticed I've picked up an irritating render error in the Firefly render engine. Seems at apparently random times, the render engine looses entire sections of objects. Didn't happen before. So whazzat??? SR3 has done nothing to fix these core problems with Poser 5, and has apparently introduced more. If this is a carefully diguised attempt at getting people to buy other software, they're succeeding,... in droves. Is anybody else fed up with these people but me?? When do we storm the castle gates with pitchforks and torches?? I think its time Dr Frakenstein burn at the stake for his hideous creation. (Meanwhile I go back to working on my latest Poser project since there simply isn't anything else out there for the masses to use,...) sigh