Beginning next week the new logos will be implemented and the colors changed. :) Here is a sneak peak. There will be some additional changes to layout such as; -incorporating the top ad within the header area. -moving the links for member options and renderosity information to the top sidebar in a drop down menu. -log in and out will be moved to the top header -a sponsor link will be added to the sidebar under features. -forums will be in drop down menus to shorten the sidebar. We will be hard coding our color changes and therefore the personalized color option will no longer be available. We know this affects approximately 7% of our members and hopes that this is not too inconvenient. We will also be pulling areas together for better and easier navigation. Those areas will be titled "Community" and appear in the sidebar under Member options. If a member is interested in the Poser Community of Renderosity, then they will select the Poser link in the Community drop down menu and this will highlight all the areas within Renderosity that are Poser. Anything happening with Poser within the Renderosity community will be updated and communicated within this area. This is just an example...there will be many more of these areas to choose from. These changes should take place early next week. thanks

Looks sleek. I love that new logo! Can't wait.

I like it, looks very good so far. Well done to all involved.

I notice the background is changing from black to a light colour. Will that change also affect the galleries and the store?

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Honestly, I don't like it. I prefer the black background. The fact that I can't change it bothers me. I never changed the settings from default because I prefered the dark settings. I feel it makes my images look better on the page. My personal web site has a black background for the same reason. I like the new logo, I can deal with the dropdown menus (though I do not prefer them), I may even tolerate the bland menu background, but the grey main background is hard on the eyes. I feel it destracts from the art on the site and I basically just don't care for it. The fact that now I am forced to view the site with this scheme truely is upsetting. I would much prefer to have the option to set my own colors back to the black background with white text. Maybe its because I was weaned on DOS. Magick Michael AKA zhounder

Most on-line galleries do use a black background, precisely because other colours do make the art harder to look at. I also am concerned by the idea that gallery images will be displayed against a non-black background. I think that would be a very bad idea.

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I like the lighter background. White lettering on black vibrates and is tiring to read. Art in galleries is not shown on black walls, but rather against white walls. Why don't we see what it really looks like before deciding we don't like it.

Art in brick and mortar galleries isn't displayed using a cathode ray tube, so the colour of the walls in a brick and mortar gallery has nothing to do with the question. As for waiting to see what it looks like, I've already seen other places try it. It looked terrible there and it won't be any different here.

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Let me clarify my statements. I am not saying that the desigened format be rejected, I am saying that I want the option to change it. I personally have avoided using light or colored backgrounds on my personal gallery site as I feel thy distract from my art. Though some may prefer the lighter background I and many others do not. I would just like the option to adjust Renderosity to what I feel comfortable with. To me, black text on a white background is tiring to read. Again I am not saying change the designed layout, I am saying let me retain my options to change it. Magick Michael

ack a white bg on the galleries? ohh no. Have we gotten a confirmation on that or is the white bg just on the front page?

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aaaaargh no ...!! please, please not a white background.. at least give us two color options to choose from: one color set with white bg, and another with black ..? a black bg has been one of the best features of R'osity that I love so much :(

it does show the pics to best effect specially if youhave a lighting effect in it. the black bg that is

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oh man- I love the new logo- but that light background has got to go. I too kept the default colors. My gallery will look like total crap on a light BG. A dark (black) BG is better for showing imgages on a CRT. Please- don't get me wrong- I have no problem with a site upgrade and change- but 'light bites, black is back' Actually - light tends to wash out some image colors- I tried everthing on my site and it just didn't look as 'classic' as basic black or dark dark blue. sorry, don't take this as a critisum of a site rebuild- but of one small thing. Thanks geo

i like the black backround that other color would kill my eyes

White bg, not good, even a midrange variation of the warm gray would be better than white, especially for the galleries. White or very light grey will darken vibrant colored artwork and make it hard to see, on other works it'll wash them out. C'mon, please don't make the bg white...Please?

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Quick and dirty mid tone...

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You have "Logout" up there on top, how about putting "Login" there as well?

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Please consider keeping the gallery's background black. It gives the best presentation border/other area with art on a CRT. Change for change's sake??

I'd also like to say that I really prefer the black background too. I've designed my homepage here on Renderosity around the black background, but I'm more concerned about getting eyestrain and how it affects how many images look. I hope that if the background must be changed, that we can at least choose between light and dark backgrounds like Fatale says. Anyway, just my thoughts as always. :) Take care. SnowS

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pleaaaaaaaaaaassseeeeee keep it blaaaaaaaaaaccccccckkkkkkk

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omg........that is ugly

I don't much care for the white background either. Please consider a black/dark option. The white looks more sterile and the empty space is much more noticable.

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I too prefer the black background. A white background has much the same effect as staring at a light bulb. I've always used the default colors because to me they are easier to read. I would ask that we have the option to retain the black background.

the white background does look horrible - seems to me an excellent way to LOSE patrons/clients that way The mid tone adjustment done above in this thread by zhann looks worse though...sorry Black is definitely the best I also don't like the background colour to the site - that icky grey/purple-ish stuff. It looks like the colour my plasticine used to go when I had mixed all the separate colours together - when I was a kid of course... :+P - anyway...it's yuck (technical term there as you can see)

I agree that black is much better. I changed mine to white thinking it would be better, but it wasn't, and am changing it back, along with considering making that same change to my site when I get a chance. Black backgrounds really help the colors to shine. Please either don't change it (or allow us to pick our colors like we do now). ShadowWind

I agree about the black...the rest of it looks really nice!

If you guys are making it white to try make it match the new brown logo thing, here's a suggestion: put in a thin white border/line to separate the brown menu and black background, that way, it highlights both colors? We want black! (I think the reason why so many of us use the current default colors is because it's good)

I like the logo and the drop down boxes but the colours are really yucky IMO. Have a look at any average 5-second-whip-up-php-site and you will see the exact same yucky colours. It just look unprofessional to me. I too am one of those who have kept the default look, BECOURSE IT WAS THE BEST, colour wise. Most of my promo images are made with a dark background in mind. I have onlugh of black-text-on-white when I'm forced into excell and the likes. The thing I like about Rostiy is that it makes my eyes relax with that soothing DARK background. Yeah maybe it's a lefover DOS syndrome, but... White text on a black background have worked for computers for 20 years + G there MUST be a reason for that... (Anybody ever tried reversing the colours in DOS? Now THAT was ugly)

btw isn't that brownish colour VEEEERY close to the one RDNA uses?!

RDNA is actually a true grey...I prefer black also, midtone was just a thought, however, the suggestion of a whitish (or the text color) border between the actual logo colors and black would definitely work.

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I'm not too fond of the background colour either, but I DO think it's time this place tries something lighter instead of always having the same, grim black background.

I think black background is more appropriate.

YUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kate (who gets the feeling she's gonna be spending a lot less time here after the changes take effect. Gawd, that makes my eyes hurt)

Gah - white! leaving instantly! poo! horror, ARTmageddon, the end of all things!!!!!! Just kidding. I like it. My only suggestion is that the gallery images are bordered by a thin black line (as at http://www.epilogue.net - I'm sure this had some influence anyway, no? ;) ). I think the thumbs will stand out more than they do against black. Black is old and it's amateurish, good riddance to black! ;)

I suppose it's too late in the year for this to be some sort of very un-funny April Fool's Joke???

I just feel spoiled!! awesome changes!!!

LMAO@Tempest okay, my two cents on the matter are: keep a DARK background to the site. it's not a matter of what we're used to, it's simply a matter of how the site looks like. frankly, i can't speak for anyone here but myself, but it's hard on the eyes. it makes it look cheap like there's no tomorrow. really, caca isn't exactly my prime choice for a site's color scheme... instead of that try dark gray or something. Mihnea Dumitru draculaz

Stick with Black! Other colors "pull" the eyes color sense off of "true". If there must be a change make it to 50% grey. But my vote goes to allowing personal preferences.

{We will be hard coding our color changes and therefore the personalized color option will no longer be available.} WHY??? What is the reason to take away this feature that people have come to depend on? People are complaining about the color scheme already and the site hasn't even gone live. You say it affects "7%" of the people here. Well, if Renderosity has over 100,000 members, than you're affecting over 7,000 people... some of which may become very vocal. Can you stand to handle over 7,000 complaints? Once you have given people the ability to use their own color scheme, you can NEVER, EVER take it away. Some people prefer a black background, some people prefer white. If you force people to use one color scheme, you make HALF the people ANGRY at you. If you allow people to choose their own colors, EVERYONE will be HAPPY with you. Your choice. How many people will quit or leave because the new color scheme makes the site hard to read, or in their opinion, "unusable"? Can you afford to have people leave in mass numbers because YOU forced a color scheme on people? Again, your choice.

Well JohnRender, 93% of the ppl kept the default colors because they work. There not so brite as to wash out the images or hurt the eyes or burn in the screens. If we've learned anything about the new management of this site is "This is what we are going to do, get use to it" I can understand the reasoning of the businessmen part- make it light so the banners stand out more. But in the long run it will be another fieasco like the free stuff approvial process. Or banning compeating mercahnt site members. I am here as an (wanta be) artist- if my stuff looks bad, I may finally just port everything over to someplace like 3dcommune or Renderotica. Change for change sake is bad. Black or Dark Dark blue background and maby a dark purple or dark flat red or 2 shades of blue would still match asteticly the new banner but keep the professional look. You'd think with thousands of artist here management would use that tremendous resource thats available. They should have the webs number one best looking site around. Imagine if management had to make each and every magazine cover themselfs. ewwwwwww!

Looks nice, but I prefer black as a background for the images.

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But if you do look at the best looking art sites around (digitalart, epilogue, GFXartist) most have light backgrounds and none (that I know of) allow for colour changes - that's just retro stuff to make up for lacklustre design. As for light background straining the eye - Microsoft Word anybody? Let's face it, much as I like the site functionality at the moment, the design is very dated. Improvements have been suggested and I think that they look great. OK, not as good as some sites, but I prefer a fast load rather than flash graphics. Other people disagree, which is fine, but all this bitching and griping and threats to leave? Rendo is THE most spoiled community on the web, that's for sure! :) But please, whatever happens, don't have a poll! Look what happened to the last one... Actually, what DID happen to the last one? Don't think we've forgotten about it.

I really have decent difficulties with a light background. For example i cannot read a text on a white bg on the screen. It hurts my eyes. Furthermore i think that images (and its colours for sure) seems to appear more brilliant and clear on a dark bg (on my website all images are on a dark background) ... When i fall upon a website which is too bright i tend to go away very quickly - automatically and without thinking about. So it would be great to keep at least the possibility for everybody to choose...

I dont care for the colors either. Black background for me is preferable. Also, the option to be able to change the colors!! Please dont take that away from us :(

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WHAT A GREAT WAY TO LIMIT ARTISTIC IDEAS HERE!!! Whatever one may think of the design, the fact is, that darker images will be out of the question in the future. Forget playing with lighting. Nightscenes...? Forget it! Why? Because you cant see the image! Hell, i will have to delete about 80 % of my gallery. Who the hell came up with this idea??? Any idiot with a sence of colors, know that white for a graphic gallery sucks! Guess its time to find a new gallery!

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settle down chief :) again, I understand that bondware is a CMS and you can't exactly have EVERYTHING working or looking as you'd like it to be, but please, at least show some artsy fartsy talent (like you did in the choosing of the logo -vanilla instead of chocolate, anyone?), and make it dark gray instead of light shit. Thank you! MD

Please, keep the background black, at least in the gallery pages. White will be horrible. S.

We are watching the thread very carefully and so far it seems like most people dislike the light background. We are looking at different options. I don't have any more information than that right now, but I don't want anyone to think that their opinions are being ignored. Thanks, Cres

Did the powers that be ever stop to consider that the custom color option was only chosen by 7% of the participants because 93% LIKE black as the background? "SO now we'll change to white AND disallow the option to personalize!!" Right side navigation too....ahhhh yes...I tried that 10 years ago...still doesn't fly really.

Well, I used the ugly default black background because people started getting cute and forced light colored fonts that weren't visible on a light screen. Light fonts on black backgrounds (especially teeny tiny fonts) are terribly eye straining and ultimately unreadable. I'm just amazed how theoretically creative people would be so adverse to trying something new. It is really illuminating. Depressing, but illuminating. I still think it's nice to have a change and I am sure there will be other changes before we're done and some you won't like and some I won't like, and it just isn't very important one way or the other. It's just too bad we can't see what it looks like before we start whining about how put upon we are. The fact is that a black background does not make a medoicre graphic look any better, and a light background does not detract from a masterful rendering...ask any art gallery director and they would probably say the same. As for the reflection from a light background. Be real. That's why you have adjustments on your monitor. It is the controls on your monitor and the light in your room that is the problem...not a light background.

I think the new logo is nice, but not the light background. I have all my stuff set to a medium-dark gray. I really wish there had been a selection to keep everything as it was when we were voting. Even though I do like the new logo set, IMO, there weren't any logos as good as the current one.

Is dark text on a light background really harder on the eyes? My understanding, based upon marketing and advertising studies, as well as personal experience, is that one of the hardest color combinations on your eyes is white text on a black background. This is the very reason that publications only use white text on a black background in special situations, but never on every page of the publication. Studies also prove true for web sites. White text on a black background is actually harder on the eyes. With that said, there may be a more pleasing background color than the light gray in the screen shot above. We're still working on a few of the color changes and the sample above is not entirely set in stone. I just hope that many of you have sense enough to understand that this was presented to you for your feedback before being launched because your opinions do matter, rather than the intentions that some of you have suggested above. Let's keep this a constructive debate so we can make everyone happy. Tommy

Thank you Tommy and Crescent for listening :) even if you come up with something different :) Thats all we ask :) Dialyn- it not that we don't want different- it cause most of us have tried simular color background before many many times. Tommy- it's not the text but the color washout on our pictures that bothers us. ok- I'll go away and shut up now :)

I've read all of the arguments above and one issue has made me curious. A lot of the talk revolves around DARK images requiring a DARK background. So, my question is this - If DARK images benefit from a darker background then do LIGHTER (or HAPPIER, whichever) images benefit from a lighter background? And, if this is the case - what is the happy medium for all of the images? Tommy

rainbow colored poser pixies, tutone1234 :) okay, it IS true that black on white is more professional, but the way bondware makes the page look like, putting a light brown on it without any depth whatsoever to the pictures resembles something of the darker color, with more odour. you'd have to do some major changes to make the site look good on white is what i'm saying. as an example, check out this site: http://www.freewriters.ca it looks 100x more pro than a dark background site, it's true. but the graphics feel for the white, whereas here all you have is 2D single color tables. mihnea

mihnea - we're not really aiming for a white background, nor is the background above white, it's a shade of gray which is definitely subject to change. I viewed the site link you have provided and actually the lite blue links on white are hard on the eyes also. So I guess my question here is which background color is going to benefit both types of images - DARK & LIGHT? Is there any one color that will compliment all images? Tommy

Personal opinion time, ok for most areas (prefer darker personally), but in the galleries when looking at an image, black or dark (variant of grey) background. The use of a bright background does tend to draw the eye and DOES interfere with the percieved image colours. Tutone, white text on a dark background is printing process expensive. It uses a lot of ink and with bleed can make for a very difficult time to read fine character text. This is why it is not employed more. Also on a computer screen, the eye tends to respond to the aggregate brightness of its view. A bright white background tends to overpower fine dark characters. Conversely since the black is a lack of radiated light the aggregate levels are lower due only to the text light. The real problem comes in when there is a mix of these, the eye must adapt many times as it moves around such a mix of areas of high illumination levels and low illumination levels. This becomes especially fun when trying to look at a low level object surronded by high illumination levels.

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BTW I like the structural changes proposed. Dark grey (perhaps with a touch of blue) to my mind is the best compromise. It does not provide a peripheral swamping effect on dark images and does not in any way compete with lighter images (actually makes then stand out more as the focus of attention).

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lighter colored pictures do appearr brighter and cleaner on a dark bg ...that is what I was saying on the light effects looking better on a dark bg. guh I just hope that it doesnt stay a light color for the galleries. dark..pllllllease dark

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I use the custome colour settings, mainly because I hated the Renderosity colour scheme when I signed up, but I still use and much prefer and black background for the galleries. Dark backgrounds do display images better. Hell, if I had my choice, I'd force people to turn off all the lights in the room when viewing my images too!

So, my question is this - If DARK images benefit from a darker background then do LIGHTER (or HAPPIER, whichever) images benefit from a lighter background? And, if this is the case - what is the happy medium for all of the images?

It would take a little more work, but why not add another set of check boxes to the image upload sceen. You have a check box for violence, nudity, comments and ratings, why not add one for "display on black background" and "display on white background"?

okay, how's this then:

the way i see it is like this: you have a light background, the eye won't notice the r'osity logo or anything else for that matter, it will be difficult to concentrate on such a weird color as this one is. so the solution is simple. don't keep it black, but make it a higher shade of gray.

Now, this color wouldn't be so terrible,draculaz, just as long as there is a high enough contrast with the text colors. The gray on gray they use over at RDNA is about as close to unreadable as it gets, which is why you never see me in their forums. I just can't read them. I'm still not sure why all this has to be hard coded, though. It's not like everyone cares about the logo and whether or not the site matches the silly thing. I say the best solution would be to allow us to keep our custom colors as far as the text and background are concerned. Kate (who doesn't give a rat's behind about matching the logo)

[I know which I'd go for...] Me too.....black!

For an example, go from pure sunshine into a dark place and you'll see practically nothing. Go into that same place at night and you'll see things you've never been able to see. The same holds true here. The white balance will overshadow the image's colors, especially a dark image.

Tommy, light colors only serve to distract, not to accentuate. From an artistic point of view, the colors that are lightest will be closest to the viewer, thus more catching to the eye. If you make it a light color, then what is catching to the eye is not the elements of the image, but the background. This will not serve to make the banners, store promos, images, etc, more seeable if that is the reason for this change, which I doubt it is.

Please don't go the RDNA route. While I love their site, I find it very difficult to read most of the time...

If something works, I don't see the point in fixing it. And while I don't really see it as not being professional enough, if that is the motivation, then there are a lot of sites that do black backrounds that are very well done. Check out some of the gaming sites for instance.

To me, the best solution is to take some extra time and code it into an editor where people can change it to whatever they want. Maybe more work, but it will please everyone in the long run, instead of forcing what people don't seem to like down their throats. Maybe just have a single color option to allow people to pick the background or provide pre-made skins. Then you could have artists making skins for Rosity. That would be cool. But to just close it off after offering an option for so long seems to be a bad idea. In that 7%, how many of those changed the background color versus changed just the sidebar colors?

Crescent: I'm glad Rosity is reading this thread and considering our words...Thanks...

ShadowWind

In your example Tuttle, which didn't include the text that goes with the image. White on mid grey is horrid to read, but beyond that, I would go with the black as well for the reasons I mentioned...

OK, included the text.

BTW - Believe it or not, that's the same font on each one. Look how naff the white on black is! (It's not the JPG compression either!)

Top: the light gray background tends to leave me with an after image burnt on my eyes - sort of like what happens when you look directly at a lightbulb. Not a happy thing. Middle: The images show much more clearly with this one. None of them blend into the background at any point. The text could use just a bit more contrast, however, as it's kind of fuzzy, and for those who spend a good deal of time in the forums and reading the front page articles, this would cause a lot of eyestrain. Bottom: Text/Background contrast is the best of the three. No spots before the eyes, no fuzziness, nicely clear and readable. However, portions of the first and third thumbnails disappear entirely as they blend into the background color. Best compromise: Some combination of middle and bottom examples. Perhaps the lighter background for the gallery and the black for the forums? Best solution: Let the members have some control over how they want to do it. Give them the three options and let them set their own colors based on the three available choices. Just a suggestion. Kate (who has very very very easily strained eyes, cannot go outdoors even on overcast days without sunglasses - can you say photosensitivity? I knew you could - and has to get new glasses on the average of once a year)

And to me, the easiest to read is still the bottom one...

Black background for the galleries please! ....or at least the choice. Cheers!

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I don't like the unchangeable background options. I have changed my background color for a number of reasons. Sometimes I stay on a page a long time and then when I switch I know immediately that I have been timed out because my background changes color. I can also see the edges of the images better with the color I have chosen. I like a dark background, but the black was too hard on my eyes. Please reconsider this and leave the personal coloring options there for people with special needs. Thank you for considering this.

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Referring to the image examples above i guess i know now what it is that disturbs me. The white bg colour is redirecting my view to the white again and again. I have difficulties to focus on the image itself. It is like a sort of undesired framework.... Funny and strange because obviously a real time expo with framed pics on a white wall (the pics even with a white passepartout) doesnt hurt at all. Well in any case this discussion is useful for me (and for others i guess) because i never thought about this topic before. The question about presentation of artwork in a gallery and on the screen. Coming back to Rero....a darker grey should be better than white but i still prefer black for the gallery background. Be aware i am only talking about the gallery pages here ! It may be different for the forum pages....

Is this any better?

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Black background, please.

I think the new logo, and the navigational changes look good. I use the default color scheme because I like it. Taking away the custom color scheme option in favor of this new color scheme is not a welcome change. I agree with most everyone else in this thread, keep the black background or at least give us the option to change it.

I do not like the idea of a white background and I do not think I like the idea that you are taking away our right to change the colours for ourselves. Also, do you mean that the sidebar will be on the righthand side without being able to move it too the left. I have had my sidebar on the lefthand side since I started here and I don't want to change it. This place is starting to get like the UK parliment where they make serious changes without a referendum from the people. Unhappy member. catlin_mc

Putting my vote in to be able to pick our own background and text color, please? I've got my colors customized and they are neither bright or dark.

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I really hate this brown, it makes my eyes sore and itchy. :P

You run a contest requesting a logo for an art community, choose an entry that more communicates a Tech site, sample a color from the logo for your framework only to accomodate the logo, remove the options for custom color choice. One reason this site takes more hits than others is that it's responsive & considerate to the element that allows it to survive, the customer. Creating contests & feedback forums that are redundant is only one ingredient in the cake, the icing will be removing choices that others do not offer. Go ahead, even the playing field in their favor. Sure there are always new customers, but how long will it take to replace the traffic of those that become alienated and look elswhere. Smart business comes only through smart choices...

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Just a thought, but I wonder if the problem isn't so much the light background as it is the amount of empty space that will be filled with the light background. I regularly visit www.somethingawful.com (some adult content though, be warned), and they use a near-white background with black text. Because the pages are filled with text and images though, I don't find the light background as distracting as in the Renderosity examples above. Perhaps light backgrounds work better on pages where text and graphics are packed tightly together than on forums where the majority of the space is either blank or filled only with text. Like I said though, that's just a personal observation. :) I also saw a post here that said something about choosing the background color for a gallery image that we upload, but now I don't see it...hm, was it deleted? Anyway, since each gallery upload is posted on a separate HTML page, wouldn't it be possible to allow users to choose between a white or black page background (setting the BODY and FONT tags) when they upload an image? That way, everyone could choose the best background color for each individual image they upload and there wouldn't be any complaining. ;) Thanks, take care. SnowS

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Isn't there something in the US Constitution preventing this?

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Yeah, the right of a person who doesn't pay a dime for website to choose the background color is right up there with the abolition of slavery and giving women the right to vote.

P.S. I hope SnowS's gracious and reasonalbe solution is well considered. It won't stop the complaining but it certainly makes sense.

Ok, I contribute to this site financially because I'm a merchant, and since everything I do is fully and only based in R'osity, I'm still feeling queasy about this, so I'm gonna make yet another post here lol Zhann, you read my mind perfectly .. that is EXACTLY what i had in mind when suggesting the white border in-between thing :) I'm the type of girl that LOVES changes, and R'osity has been changing subtly alot lately, from the instant messaging upgrades, to the favorites buttons, to the gallery genres, and lots of other goodies for the past few months. I totally love all the changes so far, and this entire site interface color changing is the one and only thing I'm complaining about. Changes keeps a site dynamic and interesting, but PLEASE, don't change for the worse. With that said, I'll put in my bottom line: like alot of ppl here, I really dont care for the dried-shit/dusty-plasticine brown color .. :Suggestion: why not put up a poll and post notices for it in every forum here so everyone can vote for their choices?

The new logo will be a nice creative change, however, I'm with the masses here and don't want to see the black background taken away. I post the majority of my work in the photo gallery and prefer how a dark background brings out detail in my photos.

Here is my opinion of a desirable color scheme, but still incorporating a black background :)
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Zhann got it perfect. that is change, new logo (which though I didn't vote for it I do like it), and comprimise. I still say let us keep the choices. It is harder to code, it takes more time, but it keeps the hits coming and that is what the merchants need to pay for thier advertising money. Tuttle, every eye sees things differently. Yeah some mase sites show light backgrounds. But let me ask, the artist that are making a living at this (Bryce, Photography, Maya, Poser, etc.) and that you like their work, not their sites their work, what do they have? Most of mine have dark backgrounds. Why? Because it keeps the focus on the images and artwork. Mostly I say keep choices, then all visitors can be happy. Magick Michael www.zhounder.com

Oh and one more thing. I stare at MS Word and Excel all day long. Give me headaches.

I myself prefer the black bg...Im just wondering why the personal prefs have to change? Different people have different needs...and like Kate stated above...I too have sensitive eyes...I have my bg set to black, and a cross between a med drk blue, and purple looking text...no strain on my eyes that way... The logo and other changes don't bother me, but taking our prefs away for colors def. bothers me.

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Let people have their prefs please. Me, I like the black. Why? Well, if you look at my thumbs without the black background? So I have my reasons. It probably stems from something I learned with my modest web page making skills. If the background changes, it won't look right and certain things will now look gimpy with a black box around it. Not exactly the effect one is going for. I'm sure others would suffer similar consequences of such a change. Ummm... Now if it were up to me, I'd go for the funky retro "System" font in flourescent green. LOL!

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I don't know, what is the world coming to? I went to get a newspaper this morning and the guy had changed it so the newspapers are now on the right, not the left. Well, you can imagine my dismay. I just walked in and I couldn't believe it. It was the first I'd heard about such a drastic reorganisation. No consultation, no nothing. So I said to him, I said, what's all this about? Changing things the hell and all around? Don't you know that when I look suddenly to the right I sometimes become vapourous and fall to the ground in a semi-faint? Had he bothered to check my medical history? Had he heck! And right-swivel comatose predilictions aside, I am so used to reaching for the newspaper with my left hand that I'm sure my left hand will grab instictively and uncontrollably at the sight of the newspapers, thus flailing across the centre aisle and impacting the biscuit display, causing heaven knows what carnage. Fair enough, things need to change, I can accept that, but making such blatently retrograde reorganisations without so much as an please and a thankyou leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. And all in the name of progress. Pah! Needless to say, I refused to purchase any of his ridiculously positioned newspapers and returned home empty-handed but morally victorious.

I prefer black background. That white hurts my eyes.

Looks all great but i realy don't like the color chime :( I agree with Lon Chaney i won't stay for a long time visiting with that color. Atleast a option for a black background would be highly apreciated. Sprinter

Keep the background black and the sidebar on the left.. Please.....

I would prefer a black background also; massive amounts of white space coming from a monitor is hard on my eyes, and make me more likely to leave the website quickly. I vehemently dislike the rusty brown (or whatever color you want to call it) border. Selecting another color out of the logo (since this is what seemed to happen here) and toning that color down abit, if needed, would really look better. Also would have the added benefit of making the logo stand out more.

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If I had my way I'd leave the color scheme as it is now and if we had the choice after the change of logo that is what I'd probably do. I find the green here at present very soothing and I think my images look best against a black b/g so I will not change, it's what I'm most comfortable with. Catlin

Both tutone1234 and I have popped in to assure everyone that we are watching the thread very closely. I haven't said much else because there's still a lot of discussion going on in back and I don't have much useful to add to everyone's opinions. As far as I know, the ability to put the side bar on the left or right hand side is still there. (I'd be pitching a fit if it was stuck on the right.) I've seen several color possibilities proposed and I've added my comments to them. Trust me, we've been quiet up here to let everyone have their say, but there's been a lot of comments in back of the mods' and admins' opinions. I don't want to make any speculations about the final decisions because I don't want any misunderstanding about what is, what might be and what will be. I hope this helps, Crescent Renderosity Moderator (and all-around busy-body)

Well as 'rosity is the only site that I have seen that offer's the ability to change the way it looks. I would say that is a good thing, but it is most definatly NOT the reason I come here 12x's a day. I am a web designer by trade, and yes black really brings out the images, but black is also VERY - Unprofessional looking, like you are trying to hide the site in the dark, I for one lOve that puke-grey-brown colour, and I just may have to steal it LOL. While the total white BG would be hard to go at all day long I do like the colour in #61, but it could be lighter then the Title/menu and not darker that is another very unprofessional scheme. Kinda a flip flop. The drop downs are a great addition as well, I hate scrolling all the way down the page to get to the links that I want. I also did not vote for this image ( i liked the cartoony one with the TV...which is a lot like this one were they made by the same artist?) but it was in the top 5 or so of my choices. I for one will come here what ever the site looks like...hell put it on TelNet and I will still come, like I said it's not the look of hte site that brings me here.

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Wow am I late posting here lol. I also want to keep my Black Background and I would like to keep my color scheme. The light grays and whites are very hard on my eyes. And to be honest I hate changes lol, I am very set in my colors :P So there is my 2 cents for what it is worth.

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Late coming in but please keep the black background, ditch that brown colored whatever it is, it totally clashes with the new logo YIKES!!! Keep the ability to change the color scheme...I'm still not understanding why you would want to take it away in the first place?? Just my dime's worth for the night :) Pendy

I hope you keep the black/very dark background option, I think a lot of images posted here were made with the black background in mind. The sample at the top of this thread looks awful. While you're at it, could I have an option to hide the childishly grim new logo? When will you be holding a new competition for a logo?

Ok I guess I am a little late in this post, But I hope they atleast give you the option to view the gallery in a black background, It tends to make everything brigter in an image. Imagine looking at a close up of an egg shell, It would stand out. but viewing it on a white background will just make it disappear. Here we go again, Back to adobe calibration. gamma/contrast.... :O(

I do wish you'd keep the option of personalizing colors. My choices are dark and medium greys in monotone and based on the frenzy everyone else is in over very dark vs very light backgrounds, I'd say I chose a good "in between".

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..hmm well I think we should keep the black background.. and choose another logo.. sorry. that one looks like it was made on a Commadore 64! talk about Retro! guys.. thats a Step BACKWARDS from the current logo, not a step forwards!

Dear Crescent- I said I'd shut up- I lied-LOL This isn't a bitch but a thought, I understand some in the back room are argueing for a more "professional" look. But if this isn't the biggest site I know of, at least it's the biggest art site around :) not to shabby for a "unprofessional" design. :) Could it be that the schools are just teaching one way - but it may not be the ONLY way ?

I enter here just to say I prefer the black background...

Thanks for providing feedback. We are discussing your concerns and would like to purpose this as a solution. We keep the default colors as you see above, but let members select their background and text colors. This way members who prefer dark, light or medium colors can have this either way. Would this work? thanks tammy

I think that would be a perfectly reasonable solution.

I can definitely live with that! I'm one of those with neither black or light background and text, and my eyes surely do appreciate this solution.

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I prefer the white or the mid grey in Tuttle's example in post 67. They are clean looking, easy to read and do not affect the color of the images. Having done color corrections for a living, one of the fisrt principles you learn is to look at color in neutral light for accuraccy. If an image really "does" seem to change when viewing it on a light or neutral background (ie: the colors in the shadows seem to shift or get lost) then it's the image's contruction, and as such needs to be corrected, not the fault of the neutral or light color bleeding away from the image. Personally i woulkd LOVE to see this place get rid of black. Working in graphics and seeing files from others from all over- one thing I have noticed is black= newbie. Just about everyone (who's files i see) who gets a new comp and a graphics app does their work in black. It's old, overused, and detracts from the actual work.

"We keep the default colors as you see above, but let members select their background and text colors." Fine by me, but please can we have a single-pixel black border around the image thumbs, like in the example.

I think that is a great solution, I actually read a thread the other day at a different site which complained that you could get these choices of colours at Renderosity, wanting to have the same choices there. Thank you very much. Shanna :-)

is taupe making a comeback? i personaly always thought is was about the ugliest color their was. the corporate mind always baffles me, the first thing they always change is what people like about something, with the pretense that its "new"&"improved", it doesnt matter that just about everyone likes it the way it was,"hence why their here to begin with" we will change everthing that was liked about the old thing that worked, but we will give you something new and improved,and totaly different. but you will like it, trust us! thats how all good things end, want examples?

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I think the proposed solution is perfectly reasonable and acceptable. I sincerly appreciate the fact our requests were not only heard but considered.

This sounds like a good solution to this little problem, as long as we have a choice that's all that matters. Catlin

Works for me, Tammy. Thanks for listening to us. :) Kate (a happier camper now)

Yess!! please Tammy! No option is an option but options are better!

I was sincerely hoping that that would be the outcome. Thank you. :)

That was my suggestion in the first place, but don't be suprised if your numbers flip from 7% to 93% who use the option!

I suggest to put a vote up for the issue. Renderosity is an artist community but also a commercial website. Making a light background could serve Renderosity itself by maybe a more professional look but if 160000 members change it back to black anyways it just dont make any sense to change it at all. Not to mention the amount of people that will actually leave Rosity for it which cant be a good thing commercialwise. JMHO ~Marco.

That works! :o)Thank you!

Rather brilliant I'd say! I have set my preferences to stay just the way they were and hey!-presto! everything is as it should be! Cheers to Renderosity!!!!!!!!!! Thanking you all. Double

When exactly will these changes happen?

The changes will most likely take place tomorrow if we can get everything organized by then. We will post a note for people to read who have not kept up with this forum, so they know what is going on. In order to do these changes, we will create the default and then members can make the changes to the text and background. We will monitor the color schemes to see what members are interested....if in fact everyone changes to a certain color... we may change our default color scheme as well. Appreciate everyone's feedback. thanks tammy

Thank you, Tammy, for responding to the feedback! Through the years, I feel it is this element of interaction that has made Renderosity so great. Thank you, Aaron

Thanks...Aaron. :) We have an awesome team and I am proud to be working with them. tammy

The new logo is awesome - and I definitely love the black background. Easy on the eyes and makes the images look good! :-)

One more thing about the light background, the link at the top for IM's cannot be read against it. Pale green on a light b/g is illegible. Catlin

we will be changing this. thanks

Tammy and crew, Thanks for listening! And yes I did change to a black background. I even darkened the text too. my old eyes appriciate your efforts! Magick Michael aka zhounder

With the restoration of the ability to change the link colors as well as background and text, all is right with the world once again. It seems the text boxes have been resized as well so those of us with 800x600 screen resolutions don't have to spend all day scrolling right, left, right,left for each line of text in a post. YAY!!! As long as I can choose the background, text, and links colors, I can live with the sidebar and top banner colors. I never look at those anyway except to find my links. Much better, guys. Kate (a tad happier now)

There's only one more problem I'm having and that is with the galleries. The boxes for Vote for image, etc, are just about the same color as the text in them, I don't know how to rectify this. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm using the colors recommended by MindVision for the b/g #1A1615 and text #B5AFAF, if that's any help. Catlin

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