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Hello modelers, Some time ago i posted a modelling method at spiraloid forums and i think you guys may like it. Im gonna post the link to it first and if you want i can re-post the entire text and pica here too.. I studied a looot of wires and facial behavior(with the help of my table mirror) and came up with a step by step process for facial modeling: 1 - bone loops 2 - muscle loops 3 - fat loops 4 - character loops (or personal skin folds) modeling that way i could easily understand my mesh and have it under control during the whole process. lemme know what u guys think of it ok? cheers loggie

Heyas Loggie! Thanks for your email and for coming to the rescue of the forum. Still in between jobs right now (which explains my absence here), but you know what they say about bad weeds hard to get rid of them. :o) This is an awesome link (seen it before, but forgot all about it)... must be getting old. If you can find the time, it would be good if you can repost it all here on Renderosity just so it's all under one "roof". I know how busy you are, so whenever you can is good. :o) Cheers! M

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Hiya Loganarts! I read this when you posted it on Spiraloid. A very interesting read! I can't say that I've attempted to put it into practice yet, still trying to figure out the basics LOL! It would be great if you could repost it here, especially if you have the time to discuss it a bit. Moe, how about a challenge at some time using Loggies technique? It would be a great way to understand the ideas better and maybe Loganarts could find the time to critisize our efforts? Cheers - Baz

Heyas Baz, Great idea man... i can put available a separated mesh for each step online for you guys if you like and ill be around here all the time now.... I am also doin a lot of Z-BRUSHing latelly so im gonna be posting some stuff of it as well and how to use a default modeler+zbrush (great team)... Lets go with the challenge or even a mini-session between us anytime... As soon as i get home from work im gonna post the spiraloid text in here.. Cheers mates Loggie

Sounds great Loggie! I'd be interested in the Z-Brush stuff too. I've been considering Z-Brush as a companion to Wings, Wings isn't good with high density meshes, at least on my computer :o) I figured they'd make a good team, I'm still trying to get a decent download of the Z-Brush demo though :o) Are you still using Wings and Messiah? Haven't seen you around the Wings forums for a while. Cheers - Baz

very cool stuff. i know it can help me to learn, anyway. thank you.

Hello sculpters, I been thinking a lot latelly about structures and organized process of sculpting. Also in the relationship between the flesh and the polygons.... technically speaking this is the subject to be translated in polygons:

Of course this is just a part of the subject. We can see here bones and muscles. MUscles i used to see a lot in all meshes i studied. but not bones... or fat... or personal marks.... The first time i saw something near those structures was in a PETER SYOMKA model (anna) In his maya mesh he had muscles loops... but also some bone structures and fat and personal skin folds from that particular person(anna) And trying to understand what he did in there i came up with a simple sequence of modeling: 1 - bone structure or loops - where i build all the main bone structures where the muscles and the fat will be standing 2 - muscle loops - where i build the motion structure of the mesh 3 - fat loops - all the fat that lies over the mesh and under the skin 4 - character loops(or skin folds)this is the funniest part to me. its where i break the loops the most and add lots of peculiarities to the character.. unique for each one. i tried a while back to build a character following that sequence to see if it was workin. i came up with this WIPS(never finished it):

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What i did was deconstruct a mesh into sections and organize the building process.... Im pretty sure all folks here use this scheme ( my good friend ZYTROX was doing the same thing in his models when i first talked to him about it) but i just wanted to share my personal notes about it. The good thing about this method is, i believe, to have all the mesh under control. I go building bones muscles etc in every section of the model pretty much like Mental Ray renders... so i take the arm and go from bones to character loops at once, then i move to the chest and so forth. Also having a bone structure done for example i can picture the final result much more clearly than just a volume model... Anyways, this is just a try to put things together in my mind so any other notes about this will be extra important to me. thanks a lot for reading this artists, loggie

You kow I think you're right, I kinda work like this already but thinking about it in these terms might help to get the mesh organised in my head. I need to study this a bit more and I'll be back with some questions :o) It'would be great if we could download the meshes! Cheers - Baz

You freekin rock loggie!! I need to give this a try...