Hi all just wanted to thx you all for your help over the last few days, i just want to add a little note here about P5 [ here we go again lol ]. P5 has really got a bad rap by some people, well so be it , but for me it has been the best thing ever, i thought long and hard about geting P5, beause off the bad rap it got in here, im glad i did get it, ok its a big learning curve after P4 or PP4, but with all the help u get here it's not that bad, i just want to show anyone who is thinking about geting P5 what you can do with just a few Primitives and a simple chareter, gee ive onley been at it about 24 hours, and im not the quickest person lol... So here you go. once again THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP...