Alright I have gone through the tutorials suggested for creating new clothing. It took quite a while to figure out how to move the vertices around in 3dsmax, but I got it to export an .obj and import into poser, but here are my problems. 1. It is solid, the middle of the skirt is filled. 2. It doesn't pose/bend I know I need to do something with a .phi? file to make it posable. And I will get to the texture/bump/trans maps last. Suggestions? After I get it bendable will post for comments. Rx2web