I been working with 3d studio for 6 years now, and when poser came out (poser v1) the graphic's where not so good by comparison to CS/MAX, but now if you now seen poser 3&4 i whistle a different tune, the meshes in poser 3/4 are VERY Good, from what I've seen I'd now say poser 4.1 is your best bet, now had anyone converted a poser 4 meshes into max 3 successfully because I can't do it, there always messing up? if there is anyone that can to it please by GOD let me know how!! Wayne Stewart (a.k.s. Scaramanga) howard_s11@yahoo.com